RE: ] SAGE Project

Look very good to me. Thanks for all your work on this. 
I will be able to do some of these crosses.  Would like a volunteer(s) to send me pollen of some of these.
Also wondering about  shelf x shelf crosses.

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>For our crosses this coming spring it will be most helpful if we each stay as high up on the list as possible unless for compelling reasons one cannot.  I am one of those with compelling reasons, as the only SA's I currently have on hand are right down near the bottom of the list, but I am making off-list arrangements for pollen if needed.
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>For the spring of 2005, I am proposing the following list of four SA's.  If you do not have these, or cannot acquire them, a suggestion about how to proceed will follow.  Two horned, and one each of spooned and flounced varieties are listed.  The criteria for the ones selected included 1) position on the above list, 2) price, 3) reasonable probability of quality progeny and 4) availability.
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>PRIMARY LIST
>HORNED:  Eagle Control, Doctor No
>SPOONED:  Honey Scoop
>FLOUNCED: Double Trouble
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>If you cannot obtain one or more of those mentioned for 2005 with two or three rhizomes each recommended to ensure bloom, here are recommended alternates that may be used in their place:
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>ALTERNATE LIST
>Horned:  Thornbird, Praetorian Guard
>Spooned:  Bye Bye Blues or Solar Fire
>Flounced: Momentous Occasion or Mesmerizer
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>The more we restrict ourselves to the primary list for 2005 the greater probability we will have of generating significant numbers of seedlings.
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>Selection of non-SA varieties for this coming spring should include
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>1) the widest, best cv you have with a ledge or shelf under the beard, or which, in the case of Devonshire Cream, has been known to produce SA traits repeatedly under some conditions, X one of the horned varieties from the primary list, using the horned variety as the pollen parent
>2) a quality-producing breeder that has no trace of a ledge or shelf, or is known to be a producer of few if any SA seedlings when crossed with them (see list below) X one of the horned varieties, using the horned variety as the pollen source
>3) each of the horned varieties in the primary list  X  the flounced variety-or the reverse of the crosses, or both, depending on what produces pollen and when.
>4) each of the horned varieties in the primary list X the spooned variety-or the reverse cross, or both, depending on what produces pollen and when.
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>The "or" varieties in cross type 2 as parents producing no SA or few SA progeny identified to date include:
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>Purple Pirouette
>Double Bubble
>Blackout
>Quito
>Dynamite
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>As we begin planning our swaps, trades and purchases, the aims of SAGE will be furthered by including at least some of the primary list SA 's.  Please note I am recommending purchase or swap for more than one rhizome of the varieties you intend to add.  This is to help guarantee bloom on first-year plants.
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>If you have serious reasons for suggesting a change in either the "Primary List" or the "Alternates," please contact me offline and give me your reasons (such as-"this variety produces no pollen," or "this variety is known to be a poor performer in several geographic areas" or any other significant reason to seek a change).
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>Neil Mogensen for SAGE   z 7 western NC
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Chuck Chapman, Guelph, Ontario, Canada. Zone 4/5


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