Christian,
I don't know the exact date Clematis was introduced but if you've
ever flipped through an old Austin catalogue, you'll notice that he
was very effective in making his plants sound very appealing and
desirable.
As for some of my seedlings, it took 5 years for some of my Thornbird
seedlings to finally bloom. They then promptly fell over because the
other parent was Tripple Whammy.
I found a spooned purple and gold chimera in the seedling bed
yesterday but it was too mangled/deformed to photograph. I'm praying
the final two buds a more normal looking so I can post it. I really
like the weird stuff. My other seedlings so far have been so boring
that I almost dosed off on the spot, no appendages either ;-(
Chris
--- In SpaceAgeRobin@yahoogroups.com, christian foster
<flatnflashy@...> wrote:
>
> Chris,
>
> off the top of my head, isn't Clematis a 1951 intro? How can
there be hype behind an intro that?
>
> You must have the patience of a saint to wait for seedlings that
far up.
>
> Christian
>
> Christopher Darlington <chrisdarlington@...> wrote:
> Hey Christian,
>
> I'm up in Canada, North of Montreal in the foothills of the
> mountains. It's not really ideal an ideal Iris growing climate like
> California but I get by. Growing seedlings here takes forever.
>
> As for Riverview, I couldn't get details over the cost of the phyto
> certificate and shipping so I put my order on hold. Just out of
> curiosity, I'm going to go have a look at their site and check out
> the intros.
>
> Thanks for the info on Clematis, I wanted it because of the
wonderful
> hype Lloyd Austin puts behind his intros. What's your favorite ?
>
> It's raining cats and dogs here, should be like this all week.
> Doesn't look good for making any crosses.
>
> Chris
>
> --- In SpaceAgeRobin@yahoogroups.com, christian foster
> <flatnflashy@> wrote:
> >
> > Chris,
> >
> > I'm geographically challenged...which border? I've actually got
> it as a goal to get organised for import export because there are
> some things coming out of Russia and slavic nations that interest
> me. And there's this stallion in Oz I want to breed my mare to.
> >
> > I understand what you're saying about the Riverview customer
> service, but it doesn't bother me too much. I imagine it would be
> different if I were trying to work with them from another country
> though.
> >
> > Why specifically Clematis out of all the flats? It's probably
> the least reliably flat in my garden.
> >
> > christian
> >
> > Christopher Darlington <chrisdarlington@> wrote:
> > Christian,
> >
> > Thanks for posting this info, VERY interesting indeed. I'd love
to
> > take you up on your offer to trade plants but we would have cross
> > border issues to deal with. I used to freely ship rhizomes to the
> > States labeled as bulbs but I don't know if things have changed
> > dramatically or not in the last few years.
> >
> > I tried to order from Riverview once a few years ago but wasn't
> > comfortable with the lack of customer service. They would need to
> > hire somebody to take care of communications to address specific
> > customer concerns. Well, that was 4 or 5 years ago, maybe things
> have
> > changed. They have a real treasure chest of forgotten classics
that
> > I'd love to choose from. I'd love to get a start of Clematis one
> > day.
> >
> > I'll also keep my eye out for Fibrated Space, sounds very
> > interesting.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > --- In SpaceAgeRobin@yahoogroups.com, christian foster
> > <flatnflashy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Jim,
> > >
> > > I can tell you which flatties have worked for me so far. As a
> > general rule "all" flats are pollen sterile by virtue of not
having
> > anthers. The flats that I have seen produce pollen are:
> > > Judy Mogil (I think)
> > > Unfurled Flag
> > >
> > > The flatties which have set pods for me are:
> > >
> > > Six Pack
> > > Rhythm
> > > White Parasol
> > > Little Freak*
> > > Judy Mogil *
> > > Unfurled Flag*
> > > Pom Pon Two
> > > Clelmatis
> > > *being the most reliably fertile
> > >
> > > Either Flopsy or No-top or both have set pods which rotted due
to
> > water held in the bloom. Amarylis has the same problem and
possibly
> > Pom Pon Two.
> > >
> > > If memory serves, New Perspective, and Gazoo are rumored to be
> > both pollen and pod fertile, but I don't have either yet so can't
> say
> > for sure. Doubt either would advance a SA line.
> > >
> > > For a flat SA strain I believe that Fimbriated Space and
sibling
> > Free Space will be critical because they have a very
high "dosage"
> of
> > flat in their pedigree. (FimSpace has the overlapping style seam
I
> > mentioned yesterday.) Pom Pon Two and Cut Crystal,pod mates of
Pom
> > Pon One - which is described as having flounces-, should also
play
> > key roles. The Rudolph intros also add in rarely seen plicata
genes.
> > >
> > > I think all of the above mentioned are availiable through
> > Riverview, although not all necisarily in the same year. Oh, and
> > Riverview just intro-d a new flat...two years ago... which I
think
> > has SA genes.... Tugs the Heartstrings. (If it's not Tugs with
the
> SA
> > genes then it's something Moonscape intro from Argyle Acres about
> the
> > same time) I have two plants labeled Tugs but only one has so far
> > bloomed for me, and it was an imposter.
> > >
> > > So now you know practically everything I know. Race ya! lol
> > >
> > > Christian
> > >
> > > I have had one seedling to bloom from Fimbriated Space X
> > Thornbird which was traditional in form and did not show SA
traits.
> > I think it was stunted by the freeze and I wouldn't expect it to
> show
> > SA its first year since TB didn't. So as yet I don't have any
proof
> > of my pudding... or is it pudding for my proof.
> > >
> > > I have a few other crosses that might be indirectly relevant
but
> > none to bloom yet.
> > >
> > >
> > > Jim Rohrer <jrohrer31@> wrote:
> > > Hello Christian <I was wondering if you had tried
> > crossing the flatties with the S A,? This interests me and I
wonder
> > if you or Chris could tell me which of the flatties are either
> > both pod or polin fertle .. I have quite a few S A I would like
to
> > experiment with .in this regard All so which supplier would you
> > reccomend .? Jim Rohrer
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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