Re: roses for part shade was: Shrubs for shade
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- Subject: Re: roses for part shade was: Shrubs for shade
- From: M* T*
- Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:44:21 -0500
You're most welcome, Bob.
Morning sun is really the best sun:-) So, you're lucky to have it.
'Tis true that a vast majority of perennials with really showy
flowers prefer full sun, but I have had a fair amount of success
growing plants labeled for 'full sun' in much less than that. They
will tend to be taller and floppier than they would in full sun, and
bloom will be sparser, but very many of them will grow and flower
with less than full sun. Now, that said, I note you are in zone 5b.
I know Kansas can get as hot as it does here and probably hotter, but
if you are in the northern part of the state, you may not have as
much luck as I have had with full sun plants in part shade because of
your latitude...the sun is not as directly overhead the farther north
you go.
However, my philosophy is try it and find out. If there is something
you particularly hanker for, get one and try it in the sunniest spot
you have. If it does well, then get more. If it languishes and all
other cultural requirements are being met, then you can figure it
really does want more sun than you can provide and move on to another
plant.
One thing I do remember from when I was new to gardening, was a sort
of panic feeling that I had to hurry up and know everything so I
could get it right the first time. After murdering plants for neigh
on to 30 years now, I know that there is no 'right' and gardening is
a long term process of trial (or as Gene Bush puts it in one of the
articles on his site - trowel - [cracked me up]) and error....the
only way to truly find out whether a plant will grow in your garden
is to try to grow it....and keep on trying until you've killed it at
least 3 times.
I'm not saying it is not good to do your homework...really, that's
essential...but just that you need to try a plant to really know.
Sounds like you've got some good fun ahead, developing your garden!
Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
mtalt@clark.net
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> From: Bob Wiltshire <bwiltshi@williamsfoods.com>
> Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 9:30 AM
>
> Marge,
>
> Thank you--I am printing out your message for reference. We have
almost
> entirely partial to full shade and the main sun is morning sun.
That last
> part has been good for me as a newbie as few things get baked by
the sun
> and, therefore, meet untimely ends by other means :). The struggle
is
> trying to temper my new gardening "education" with the fact that
all the
> bright, showy, most obvious flowers prefer sun. I have checked
your
> articles several times and have been on both the perennial and
woody plant
> lists for quite a while. Both are wonderful and I have a
"catalogue" of
> suggestions, but we have a *lot* of planting to do--and even then
it's
> never enough! Right now, I am collecting ideas for shrubs in
shade, so
> this thread is very helpful. Thanks again.
>
> Bob
> NE Kansas
> Zone 5b
>
>
> At 12:20 AM 01/19/2000 -0500, you wrote:
> >Blanc Double de Coubert does, indeed, do well in partial shade.
Have
> >had her, along with R. rugosa, 'Belle Poitevine' and the autumn
> >damask, R. damascena bifera, growing and blooming for me in, at
most,
> >3 hours direct sun - rest high shade, for close on 20 years. I
do
> >not get repeat bloom, however, on the autumn damask, as it is
> >supposed to do. Have always put this down to the fact that it is
not
> >in full sun. However, May bloom on all three has been fine all
these
> >years, if the deer don't eat all the buds. FWIW, my local herd
seems
> >to prefer the damask to the rugosa roses.
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