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Re: FW: Aroideana/IAS news letter--thoughts.

  • Subject: Re: FW: Aroideana/IAS news letter--thoughts.
  • From: brian lee <lbmkjm@yahoo.com>
  • Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:03:51 -0800 (PST)

Dear Aroid enthusiasts,


First off; I second everything that Julius has put

In life, we rarely emerge into the world fully
developed.  So it was with me.  I am constantly adding
new knowledge to my curious nature.  I may ignore some
of the articles when I intially read them.  But
sometimes, years later and after accumulating
additional information, I re-read Aroidiana articles
with fresh eyes and new epiphanies are revealed.

>From what I have witnessed...Aroidiana has proven to
be a valuable resource for me.  Not every article is a
masterpiece, but hidden among the pages are gems that,
when discovered, are treasures to be coveted again and

It is a unique document and it will
evolve...adolescent and unruly, but in the end it will
mature as a fine wine and we will all toast Julius and
savor every drop.


Leland Miyano

--- ju-bo@msn.com wrote:

> Sent: Fri 12/07/07 10:41 PM
> Reply-to: Discussion of aroids
> (aroid-l@gizmoworks.com)
> To: Discussion of aroids (aroid-l@gizmoworks.com)
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> Dear Aroid Friends,
> [Especially Derek, Tom, Betsy and Jason!!]
> I THINK I`d like to add my voice to this cacaphony.
> First off, my hope is that the lurkers who have
> negative comments ''come forward into the light'',
> as it were, so we can talk and discuss the issues
> concerning the content of ''our'' journal,
> Aroideana.
> My take on ALL the recent issues of Aroideana
> stretching back several years is that they have been
> close to a perfect balance of scientific/taxonomic
> content (see Jason`s break-down, below---thanks,
> Jason).
> I savor reading them SLOWLY, like I savor a good
> wine by taking small sips, or nibbling on TINY
> slivers of my late mum`s rum/fruit cake made a month
> ago from her recipe with ground fruit which has
> soaked in rum and cherry brandy for over two years.
> Do I like equally "like"/enjoy ALL the articles in
> Aroideana?? NO. But the majority I do enjoy, and I
> eventually do get to reading all of them!
> To once more ''beat a dead horse'', unless the
> MEMBERSHIP steps up to the plate and submit drafts
> on ANYTHING dealing with aroids (as Derek and
> everyone else must be TIRED of saying/pleading),
> Aroideana will stay as a VERY high quality journal
> dedicated to Aroids, with a variety of interests
> covered.
> The IAS newsletter is another matter, I REALLY enjoy
> receiving it, and the articles are very
> entertaining! GREAT work, Carla!!
> Issues and subjects beyond those covered in
> Aroideana and the IAS newsletter I firmly believe
> are best covered (and I believe presently are
> covered!) in the discussions on forums like the
> Aroid-l pages, the UBS web site and others like
> these.
> I leave it to the IAS board to decide if we can
> afford more than one issue a year, and if the number
> of issues is increased, what the format and size
> might be---color or B+W, but the SIZE will be
> critical. Those who are calling for four issues a
> year MUST bear in mind what the old Aroidanas
> consisted of, B+W only, three or four short but
> EXTREMELY informative articles, they consisted of
> just a thin ''magazine'' stapled together ( I am
> presently researching an issue in Volume 2 now!), so
> I can already hear the ''screams'' of complaint from
> those accostomed to the WONDERFUL large and I am
> certain COSTLY issues with color, which Derek Burch,
> our present (and for the ''abuse'' which he endures,
> grossly ''underpaid'') Editor has managed to produce
> for our pleasure.
> ENOUGH said from my corner!
> Thanks a million to those who have contributed to
> this discussion, and Derek, keep up the GREAT work!
> Sincerely,
> Julius Boos
> >>Dear Betsy:
> This is a nice response! Thank you for replying.
> Remember that Derek is proposing that Aroideana be
> published several times a year and in color so it
> really would be very different from the existing
> item. It is true that it might not be conducive to
> encouraging new writers to submit but hell, we have
> had no success up to now (more than 20 years of
> trying) in getting people to submit articles despite
> the form of publication.
> Tom
> From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com
> [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of
> Betsy Feuerstein
> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 10:45 AM
> To: Discussion of aroids
> Subject: [Aroid-l] Aroideana vs. Newsletter - food
> for thought
> Perhaps it is for the general membership to realize
> that the Newsletter has become so much better and
> fun to read that it is OK for Aroideana to be
> taxonomic rather than cover both sides of the fence.
> I feel certain Carla, the Newsletter editor, would
> be delighted with offers of articles from the
> membership and just maybe, this is the place for
> little articles on more interests by amateurs to be
> established. I complained for a long time about the
> only technical aspect of Aroideana but just maybe we
> can be OK with it all since the Newsletter has
> become so much better. One could suggest that we
> have only one project by combining the two, but I
> personally like getting the Newsletter more often.
> Now, it may become a financial situation to contend
> with and that would leave an option open for less
> cost with one publication and one mailing per year.
> This is a good reason for individuals to pay their
> dues because we do get in a timely manner, the
> publications these days. I can remember when all was
> years behind and some gave up on the cause, but now,
> that is not an excuse. I know the holidays are here
> and paying dues is not what one wants to hear, but
> maybe come the first of the year, some of those who
> do reep the benefit of Aroid-l and shows and such
> will find a way to pay the dues for 2008. Think
> about it. We have some very dedicated individuals
> who do a really good job working on our behalf these
> days. Let's us do our part by making sure our dues
> are paid. Of course, if we want more subjects and
> our amateur members have knowledge, it is going to
> take those individuals to step up to the plate and
> offer their expertise in comments and articles so
> the rest of us can become more informed. It would
> seem to me that the Newsletter would be great place
> to get one's feet wet by writing on some subject
> that interests you. Or even to propose a question
> for others to answer.... even a shorter forum and
> less frightening. Start by letting it be known what
> you want and then by participating when it all gets
> going.
> Betsy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mossytrail"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] FW: Aroideana - and help to
> get it
> >
> >> Dear correspondent,
> >>
> >> I am very glad that this has reached me [an
> interesting
> >> letter on the contents of Aroideana - ed], and I
> have to
> >> say that, as editor I cold not be more aware of
> the fact
> >> that Aroideana has very little to offer much of
> the
> >> society's membership. How to correct this is
> another
> >> matter.
> >>
> >> The Newsletter is getting
> >> better and better, I think, while in Aroideana we
> remain a
> >> place of good quality taxonomic material and very
> little
> >> else.
> >> So, is your
> >> sharing of experience on either topic actively in
> your
> >> computer even as we correspond ? Bashful about
> writing? I
> >> can do it for you if you give me an article in
> rough form.
> >> Not interested in these topics? Well, what the
> hell are
> >> you interested in, and why I haven't I been told
> about it
> >> directly, with an offer for a contribution as
> part of the
> >> communication?
> >
> > Well!
> >
> > I don't know who's been complaining about what,
> but I
> > maintain my membership for professional reasons --
> to stay
> > abreast of Aroid research in ANY line of enquiry,
> taxonomic
> > and otherwise. I always assumed the main purpose
> of
> > Aroideana was precisely to be an outlet for this
> kind of
> > specialized work; otherwise we would publish in
> BioTropica,
> > Actum Botanicum, or any number of more generalized
> journals.
> > To me, the newsletter is just icing on the cake --
> it is
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