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Re: Wikipedia`s falsehoods

Consider referring to any of the sources I listed a few days ago.  All are from scientific sources and if you follow the method I outlined on using Dr. Croat's field notes from TROPICOS in my previous note you'll get the best information possible.  I'm listing the links here again:

TROPICOS which is a service of the Missouri Botanical Garden

The International Aroid Society.  You'll find tons of good info here!

The Aroid l Index.  To use this try typing in the name of the plant and then click on all the years.  The system will search for any discussions of that species from the beginning of Aroid l
C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\Desktop\Aroid l achieves search.mht

The International Plant Names Index  which is a service of the Royal Botanic Garden Kew in London.  This is considered the ultimate source by many but rarely lists details and only confirms the validity of names.

Kew Monocot Checklist.  This site sometimes contains good info about why a plant is a synonym instead of the currently accepted name.
C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\Desktop\Kew World Monocots Checklist Series.mht

The Kew World Checklist of Selected Plant Families

Cate Araceae

In addition, look up any of the major botanical garden websites.  Sometimes you will find the information you need. 

Of course, you should add all of Dr. Croat's journals on Philodendron, Anthurium and other genera you are interested in learning about to you library.   Be certain you own a copy of Deni Bown's book Aroids, Plants of the Arum Family.  One of the ultimate scientific source books is The Genera of Araceae by Mayo, Bogner and Boyce.  Many of you often read Pete Boyce's material right here!   Julius and I both depend on that text heavily since you can learn very detailed info that is rarely available in other sources. 
You can order just about all of these from the IAS. 

Steve Lucas

E.Vincent Morano wrote:
any idea's on where to find an unbiased source?

--- On Sat, 1/31/09, ju-bo@msn.com <ju-bo@msn.com> wrote:
From: ju-bo@msn.com <ju-bo@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Wikipedia`s falsehoods
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 5:39 AM

Dear Ted and all Aroid Friends,

Thanks, Ted!
By now it SHOULD be obvious that Wikipedia is a VERY unreliable source of information on aroids or ANY material. 
I would NOT be surprised if it has become a ''tool'' of persons who are using it to push THEIR agenda.   "They" can post ''their'' agendas (which may be VERY inaccurate, as we have seen in this examples quoted here by Ted, plus others quoted previously), and ''they'' can keep editing any correction to THEIR false entry back to ''their'' original inaccurate posting, so that ''their'' misinformation is spread as being factual.  This by Wikipedia,  a source, which to most of the general public, is an aparently ''reliable'' source''.  Not so!!!
Enough said.   ''There are none so blind as those who WILL not see''.


Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:42:01 -0500
From: oppenhauser2001@gmail.com
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Subject: [Aroid-l] Wikipedia

Julius and Steve, and others interested in Truth and Honesty,
Let me tell you a story about Wikipedia.
A couple of weeks ago I came across a book in my "weirdness" section called "You and Your Palm", by a guy named "Cheiro" (pronounced like the two Greek letters Chi and Rho). It turns out he was a late 1920s and early 30s sort of palm reader to the stars. The book contains palm prints and diagnoses of a number of famous movie stars of the day. I don't know how you feel about palm reading and these related skills, but I am not a fan except in the sense of mockery and derision.
Well, I looked up the good doctor on Wikipedia and found a very flattering account of his life. Among the testimonials to his greatness as a seer was what was purported to be an excerpt from a guest book he kept. The entry was from Mark Twain and indicated how pleased Twain was with the results of his sessions with the master.
As it happens I know some things about Mark Twain. Among them is that Mark Twain was a huge skeptic. In fact, there is a whole section in his autobiography (Chapter 13) in which he discusses some controlled experiments he had done with both palm readers and phrenologists of his day. Interestingly, they all concluded that one thing his personality lacked was a sense of humor (!). These were done by Mark Twain (and his agent) without revealing his identity. Curiously, when he presented himself to a couple of the same jokers as his real self, they managed to conjure up that he had a strong sense of humor. So much for the veracity of the occult sciences.
Anyway, I thought I'd add an item to Wikipedia relating to this and suggested that the views quoted there might be compared with Mark Twain's own testimony with its not-so-veiled skepticism about same. I was diplomatic. I merely pointed readers to something that might shed more light on the subject.
This morning I checked the Wikipedia site and, sure enough, my comment had been deleted and the entry about Mark Twain's endorsement of Cheiro's abilities remained unaltered. In the past two weeks I suppose some partisan of palmistry had reversed my efforts.
I was immediately doubtful when I first learned of Wikipedia. I have stronger doubts about it now, after my experience. Better, I think, is to rely on peer-reviewed matter, such as Aroideana, for one's information about scientific topics. For non-scientific topics we are at the mercy of our own judgment, I suppose.
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