Dear aroiders I think we now have 10 or 11 people on the seed order list. I have faxed Alvim Seidel again, having double checked that I had the right fax number but still no reply. So I have asked Eduardo Goncalves in Brazil to telephone them and try to find the information we needed on species and prices. It was Carnaval time in Brazil when I contacted him last week plus he was about to leave for a field trip so I don't expect to hear back from him for another week or so. When I do I'll update everyone. Patience is a virtue( and essential for an aroider!!) regards Neil Neil Crafter Adelaide Australia golfstra@cyvox.net.au