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Re: Alocasia advincula 'Bat Wing'

  • Subject: Re: Alocasia advincula 'Bat Wing'
  • From: "Tom Croat" <Thomas.Croat@mobot.org>
  • Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:30:43 -0600


	No one should use scientific sounding names loosely.  If you
know it is a cultivar call it some name that does not make it look like
a published (or publishable) name. If we do this the confusion will be


-----Original Message-----
From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com
[mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of George Yao
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 4:55 AM
To: Discussion of aroids
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Alocasia advincula 'Bat Wing'

Hello Alan and everyone,

This is to set the record straight, with no intention to blame anyone 
whatsoever, and hopefully to shed some light on the do's and don'ts 
in using scientific names.

First of all, the article about the bat alocasia was not published in 
Aroideana, but rather, in the newsletter.

Second, I did not post it on my own. I responded to a question about 
Alocasia Advincula on this list and enlightened the list on the 
source of the alocasia in question. Later on, my explanation appeared 
in the newsletter in an article under my name. The article was 
essentially quoting what I wrote to this list. Since I was not 
misquoted, I didn't think any more of it.

Questions: Does using an undescribed scientific name in the 
newsletter have the same effect as using it in Aroideana, in terms of 
the name being pre-empted, that is? Does the same hold true for using 
an undescribed scientific name on this list?

The name A. Advincula was used not as a scientific name, but rather 
as an identifier, Advincula being the name of the person who brought 
it into cultivation.

Question: Does this usage make it a scientific name?

George Yao

At 12/29/2007 11:00 AM, you wrote:

>A friend of mine from the Philippines asked me to post the following:
>The bat alocasia (from Aklan, Panay Island) is finally described.
>George Yao posted it in Aroideana as Alocasia advincula 2 years ago.
>problem is that it was not described scientifically and the name
>was published.  this resulted in nomen nudum and advincula grex may not
>used again for Alocasia.
>Lanie medecilo finally submitted Alocasia nycteris Medicilo, Yao et
>That is now the official name.  Please inform all aroiders of the
change.  i
>believe the different collectors in US are using Alocasia advincula
>I found photos online of this Alocasia at:
>Aroid-L mailing list
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