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Re: Holes

  • Subject: Re: Holes
  • From: "E.Vincent Morano" <ironious2@yahoo.com>
  • Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 19:33:44 -0800 (PST)

What I mean by created was is in made that way originally by God. I dont believe we evolved from apes thru evolution. Buy I do believe plants and animals adapt not evolve. Because evolution implies that they eventually turn from one genus to another over time.  I do believe that thinks were created with the ability to adapt to changing environments. So Im wondering were these plant alway with holes in the leaves or at onetime did they have full leaves and slowly adapted or perhaps through a freak genetic _expression_ shat happens to be good caused them to have holes in the leaves.

When you look at DNA its clearly a viable code and it simply isnt possible for these complex codes to be in existence with out a writer. If you are familiar with mathematics and probabilities  then you know that if the odds of something happening is is low enough past a certain point then its considered impossible. The possibility in which certain conditions are wight where in the primordial soup can spontaneously spawn life are so incredibly low that according to mathematical probabilities its impossible, cant happen. You have higher odds what while you are sitting at your desk reading this that a pot of petunias could spontaneously come into existence and sit on your desk....just to put it into some perspective for you.

Take for example one cell in your liver and the thousands of complex functions that go on inside that cell ever day just in that one cell. You have a higher chance of getting struck by lightning 27 times in the same day then for this to be a result of evolution.

Now I do believe in creation but I dont believe what these "creationists" believe that the earth was made in 7 day. Its not possible, I prefer to think of these creative days as creative time periods or epochs. Although there were probably a few more then 7.


From: Jason Hernandez <jason.hernandez74@yahoo.com>
To: "aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com" <aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Holes

The difficulty I have with the "tropical storms" idea is that some fenestrated Monstera spp. occur in regions not subject to tropical storms, e.g. the premontane cloud forest of the Pacific coast of Ecuador.  I will let growers address the matter of whether scandent Monstera with fenestrated leaves are any easier to pull away from the substrate than, say, scandent Philodendron with entire leaves.

I am not sure what you mean by "created."  We may suppose that the primeval leaf was linear, like the branches of Equisetum or the needles of a conifer (think also of Lycopodium and Araucaria), and that the next evolutionary step was a broadening, so as to capture more sun.  All the variations in leaves we see are developments in response to the requirements of different niches.  The juvenile-stage leaves of a Monstera probably approximate the ancestral leaves, in parallel with the way various organisms' embryonic development hints at their evolutionary stages.

Jason Hernandez
Naturalist-at-Large


Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 18:16:47 -0800 (PST)
From: "E.Vincent Morano" <ironious2@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Holes
To: Discussion of aroids <aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com>
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If these are tropical plants then perhaps is is so they dont get destroyed in tropical storms. If the plants have a weak root system and coulds easily bee uprooted then I think this is the likely reason. But now another question arises; Were they created like this or were the leaves full and somewhere along they line developed holes in them to adapt?

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From:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012
7:55 PM
To: ' Discussion of aroids '
Subject: [Aroid-l] Holes
?
Can anyone say what
might be the biological purpose of leaves with holes in them?? A typical
example would be Monstera deliciosa.
?
John.


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