>From what planet have you been looking down from? I know of NO country
that has large tracts of untouched jungles, rainforests, forests, in general.
Either the territory is so uninviting that man nor beast comes or it has
been molested royally. Yes, you can find the jungle. It may have few if
any of the first primal growth, but still old enough to have regenerated
to be of interest or it may be next to a bouldered stream and difficult
to get to or it may be beyond the edge of the road meaning some of us have
hours of trudging through, over, and on top of God knows what is under
us and if it will hold us, just to get to the illusive remaining jungle.
Even at the top of mountain ranges man has invaded for cattle ranges. Trees
are not considered a valuable assets, but a range for cattle, that is temporary
gold. Reality is, most of the world does not see the big picture and when
it comes to feeding the family, the bank account in the bank or under the
bed, there is a priority that most of the world holds near and dear. I
know of no road in Ecuador, my tramping grounds, that is untouched, because
once there is a road, either in construction or afterwards accessibility,
the process of destruction continues at a huge pace. I can remember when
we could go to one area of Ecuador and collect hundreds of Anth Peltigerum
in a very short time in the downed trees, but now the downed trees are
rotting obstacles and farms and to get to the forest is difficult and the
apples in our eyes are just not there to be found. Change...... that is
all there is, change. Either we adjust or we do not and we suffer. I choose
to not suffer and just know gratitude for the past days and hold a hope
that my grandkids will someday know the joys of walking in the forest,
temporate or tropical, and know the joy of that peace and that wonder.
It is all in how you look at it. You get suffering if you do not accept
some aspects of the change. You get joy in the perhaps lessor realms, if
you just stay in the moment and enjoy and appreciate and stay in that gratitude
Enjoy........ it is far more fun!
Ron Iles wrote:
Betsy, I was
doing ANOTHER rant on Jungles but I have had to change it in the draft
folder daily! I was in Fantasyland to a large extent.
Are there not some Jungles still substantially intact in Countries where
the people are benign, not Gringicidal maybe and allow sensitive samples
to be transferred to Specialist "Arks"? Ron
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: Tropical forest dreams
Reggie, I don't think you could have said it better. Let it die,
but don't you dare collect it and try to save it. This is true the world
over. Then there is the new World Bank idea, don't you dare ship anything
out, it is your cultural heritage. Countries like Colombia, are now restricted
to no exportation because someone says what is there is only yours. How
short sided when they are destroying it all and it won't be theirs or anyones
in the future. I often wonder if those who promulgate ideas have ever looked
into what is or is it all hot air to make it look good? I don't know, but
don't let anyone tell you that it is wrong to save a plant anyless than
it is right to save an animal or a person!
At some point, we will have to come to accept we are all on this Earth
together and we will all survive together or fall separate.... Always choices.....
Just had to add my two cents,
I have tried to stay out
of this discussion, because I all too well know
what's happening in some
of these countries. But, Julius' telling comments:
"Cut and burn it all down,
but don't you DARE collect any of these doomed
plants/animals," says it
How very, very true. I have
seen tree ferns (CITES 1) being sprayed with
herbicides or hacked down
(and discarded) in some countries. I have also
seen whole forests destroyed
in Indonesia; and orchids and other high
epiphytes are doomed--they
lay baking in the scorching sun. But, is anyone
allowed to "rescue" these
plants? A resounding "NO."
Just my two cents.
South Miami, FL