Re: Extinction & Loss of Habitat
- Subject: Re: Extinction & Loss of Habitat
- From: Ted.Held@hstna.com
- Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 18:53:27 -0600 (CST)
Thank you Ron,
I am actually a good-natured person who likes to challenge conventional
views. And I agree with you completely about marmosets.
I wish there were an alternative for those people who chop down the natural
world to make a living. I think the majority are helplessly poor. And they
certainly don't know about the complexities of an ecosystem. I believe one
day we will solve the crisis, but I think quite a bit more destruction will
take place first. I am not in favor of it. I am resigned to it and hope it
can be minimized.
I'll have to take your advice about American slang. I am quite cognizant
about slang as I am the slang consultant for our European colleagues who
work here in the US (I work for Henkel of Duesseldorf, Germany). I find
that our coworkers arrive with a very good command of English but they
cannot understand anything discussed in our meetings.
I have had two other comments to me from the list to my private e-mail. The
whole subject of extinction and the history of life is a passion of mine.
Thanks for responding.
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Can I congratulate you on provoking discourse & then taking part most
sensitively so that everybody could both agree & agree to disagree without
anybody losing their dignities in the face of hurt insecure egos! If you
or any other optimistic person was to be written off the list then I would
certainly not remain silent. I would however request that you do not use
Yank-slang that we Old world peoplemost don't understand - like "cool" &
Obtusely under the above heading - If only marmosets could war against
visionless eco-terrorism, then I'd be the first to request instant
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Subject: One Last Comment
I knew when this started that my comment would touch a nerve among the more
ideological among the list members. I guess I am just an optimist about the
world. Throughout the history of life (as we know it currently) there have
been some pretty remarkable cataclysms where the number of species have
been reduced dramatically by all estimates. It is probably the case that at
any given "stable" time that a large fraction of the extant species exist
in a rather precarious situation. Something comes along and shakes things
up (and I suppose this could be construed as "habitat loss" except that as
that phrase is usually used in today's parlance it means the whole "parking
lot" business - not "natural" climate changes, vulcanization, meteor
strikes, ice ages, etc.) and a host of the more specialized species get the
rug pulled out from under them. In fact, if the "trajectory" of all the
species present at any one time could be known and plotted, one would find
that some are on the ascendency, vigorous, robust, while others are in
decline, weak and prone to succumb to shocks of various sorts. Naturally,
some of the weak species are really cool from the parachial human
perspective. A lot of the coolest plants that this list likes are in that
category. But from the standpoint of the history of the world, whether
people like a particular life form does not matter very much.
To be sure, people are now able to intervene in evolution in both good ways
and bad. We can make parking lots and we can artificially propagate cool
plants and animals and keep them going. From the comments I read about the
Philodendron spiritus-sancti it is not clear why it is such a rare plant.
Maybe it is because some preferred habitat is now a parking lot. Maybe it
is because the plant was being overwhelmed by more successful species and
is hanging naturally on the edge of extinction. Someone brought up the
Franklinia issue a day or so ago.The reason Franklinia was hanging by a
thread when rescued had nothing to do with loss of habitat then. There is
no lack of habitat for Franklinia to be reintroduced into the "wild" today.
The point is that species extinction is a really old thing and that for the
vast majority of extinctions human parking lot building had absolutely no
role. That this is happening today is not a valid opposing argument.
I will now be silent on this topic unless people want to write me off-list.