Alocasia Amazonica, the Banta's reply re Andre]
- Subject: Alocasia Amazonica, the Banta's reply re Andre]
- From: ExoticRainforest <Steve@exoticrainforest.com>
- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 07:56:51 -0600
Well folks, people are lining up on this issue but most are doing
so privately not through Aroid l. Some believe the plant definitely
came from Belgium while another not quoted here appears to believe
there is no way it came from Miami. The first note came today from
John Banta and the second from Belgium.|
It strongly appears there may be a difference in the plant credited to André now
known on the National Botanic Garden of Belgium site as Alocasia x
amazonica and the plant commonly sold as Alocasia Amazonica in the
United States. The first question that comes to mind would be why
would anyone in Europe name a plant known to be from Asia using the
Did someone simply adopt the name "amazonica" once the plant sold in
the U.S. as a tissue culture became popular?
Is this nothing more than a disagreement over a popular name and who
came up with a plant similar to the one being sold first? If so, the
original plant would appear to need to have been born of the same
parentage in order to claim that title.
I was given a contact name at National Botanic Garden of
but have not received a response. Obviously I'm not going to resolve
this but still would like to understand all this better. I
am just in this to learn and not take a position.
If any of our esteemed botanists can offer more insight please let us
hear from you.
From John Banta:
"Sloppy taxonomony accounts for many mysteries! Andre did in fact
mention in 1891 in Review Hortic an Alocasia hybrid between A,
sanderiana and A. Lowii those parents were later ascribed to A.
Amazonica in error. The Alocasia described by Andre is correctly named
mortefontanensis. In as much as Sam made A. Amazonica using A,
sanderiana X A. Watsoniana. It is NOT the plant mentioned by Andre. If
anyone wants to argue the point further let them remake A. Amazonica as
I did. Both species are still available. Talk is cheap. Growers should
resolve these problems on the basis of true observations. Get off the
computers and do some real botany!"
"I'm growing alocasia for 30 years or so now and alocasia x amazonica
the first plant i grow.this is an old hybrid,for sure before 1950!!
of the hybrids of that period were bred here in belgium in nursery in
the begining of last century,like 'veich laboratory ' and
others.Alocasia sanderana is NOT an horticultural name.It is a species
from Philippines.Nobilis and sanderana are the same species,nobilus
with more sinuous leaves.a Watsoniana was a species until some years
agoo when A hay put it as a synonym of alocasia longiloba. Growing
alocasia from longiloba complex like
lowii,longiloba,korthalsii,denudata and many others,i sincerely don't
undestand why alocasia watsoniana was incuding in that 'species
complex'. The plant have virtualy no variability(unless maybe in the
color of the limb),and have only in commun with that complex the white
caracteristic midrib of that complex.the corms are different,the leaves
are different,and larger of any in this complex.One of
the most beautiful species of the genus!x amazonica have part of the 2
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