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Re: Amo atroviridis?

  • Subject: Re: Amo atroviridis?
  • From: Ken Mosher <ken@spatulacity.com>
  • Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:50:53 -0400

Marek,

That tuber was certainly very atroviridis-like.

-Ken

Marek Argent wrote:
> I sent to you all photos in high resolution but the message returned 
> to me because it exceeded the limit of your mailbox.
> If you want any of them larger, write to me.
>
>> Hi Wilbert,
>>
>> Yes, this is the same plant. I bought one tuber in 2006 (it was pink 
>> because
>> it was treated with a fungicide by the seller), in 2007 it grew in my
>> garden, it bloomed but it didn't put any leaf. The inflorescence was 
>> 28 cm
>> tall with the peduncle, while the peduncle was about 12 cm. The 
>> spathe at
>> the beginning was pinkish, then it turned white.
>>
>> In 2008 it also grew in the garden in full Sun, with a typical Polish 
>> summer
>> (very hot and dry - it had to be watered everyday, but it still was not
>> enough), the leaf was divided into about 20 leaflets on a very dark and
>> short petiole.
>>
>> After the season the tuber split, the lower part fell off, first I 
>> thought
>> it was dead but it had small white buds, so I left it.
>>
>> In 2009 it stayed at home, both tubers produced leaves (one leaf from 
>> one
>> tuber). The leaf grown from the large tuber is 51 cm tall, 29 cm wide 
>> and
>> the petiole is 38 cm. It is divided into 10 lobes, the upper surface 
>> is dark
>> green and velvety, the lower is brown with greyish tint. There are many
>> veins and every second one is thicker. The petiole is smooth, brown 
>> with a
>> few white spots.
>>
>> All my tuberous plants grown at home were always larger than in the 
>> garden.
>> For example Am. konjac from similar size tubers grew 2x larger at home.
>>
>> Maybe you know why do my Amorphophalli and other tropical tuberous 
>> aroids
>> wake up so late (most of them in June or August), only Taccarum 
>> weddellianum
>> and Am albus wake up earlier (May, July), and Am. haematospadix is still
>> dormant, the same with Typhonium kunmingense, I checked the tubers a few
>> days ago, they are alive, but not hurrying to grow. During dormancy I 
>> store
>> the tubers in the bathroom (the warmest and the most humid place at 
>> home).
>> They are in pots with soil and sometimes I pour a little water in 
>> summer,
>> but it doesn't help, they still are asleep. Storing tubers there I 
>> already
>> lost 2 rare plants: Pycnospatha arietina and an unidentified 
>> Anchomanes sp.
>>
>> I append all photos I found of this atroviridis, even the 
>> unsuccessful ones.
>> Every photo with a date.
>> If you need more details please tell me till the plant has leaves.
>>
>> Marek
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" 
>> <hetter@xs4all.nl>
>> To: "'Discussion of aroids'" <aroid-l@gizmoworks.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:50 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Two amorphophalluses ... amorphophalli ... 
>> whatever
>>
>>
>> O.k., the new pics of the leaf do indeed resemble atroviridis but the 
>> flower
>> doesn't match. Are you QUITE sure the leaf and the flower are of the 
>> same
>> plant??? Send me the picture of the flowwer agaian privately
>> (hetter@xs4all.nl) and I'll check again.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Wilbert
>>
>>
>>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>>> Van: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com
>>> [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] Namens Marek Argent
>>> Verzonden: woensdag 9 september 2009 0:53
>>> Aan: Discussion of aroids
>>> Onderwerp: Re: [Aroid-l] Two amorphophalluses ...
>>> amorphophalli ... whatever
>>>
>>> Wilbert,
>>>
>>> The petiole is smooth with white pattern and the leaf blade
>>> is velvety.
>>> This year it looks quite different than a year ago.
>>>
>>> I remember I was asking you last year (I asked what attacked
>>> the leaf) and you identified it as atroviridis.
>>>
>>> Last year it grew in the garden and the leaf was different
>>> (it was divided into ~20 lobes), this year it stayed at home
>>> on southern window, the leaf is larger, but has only 10 lobes
>>> and it's upper surface is velvety, the petiole is long and
>>> the pattern appeared (see the attached photos).
>>> The older photos you'll find in this page (The first photo
>>> doesn't show my
>>> plant):
>>> http://www.wschowa.com/abrimaal/araceum/amorphophallus/atrovir.htm
>>>
>>> Marek
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" <hetter@xs4all.nl>
>>> To: "Discussion of aroids" <aroid-l@gizmoworks.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 6:41 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Two amorphophalluses ... amorphophalli
>>> ... whatever
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi too,
>>>
>>> Well Marek, yes, the plants look similar, but yours is not
>>> atroviridis, or
>>> I am suffering from "Amorphophalli Memorii-Degeneratio". I
>>> would check if
>>> your plant has a velvety hairy leaf-stalk. My guess is it
>>> will be smooth.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Wilbert
>>>
>>>
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > My atroviridis looks so (new photos attached) and here
>>> > http://www.wschowa.com/abrimaal/araceum/amorphophallus/atrovir.htm
>>> > I think it's the same species.
>>> >
>>> > Marek
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Steve Marak" <samarak@gizmoworks.com>
>>> > To: "Discussion of aroids" <aroid-l@gizmoworks.com>
>>> > Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 8:43 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Two amorphophalluses ...
>>> amorphophalli ... whatever
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Wilbert,
>>> >>
>>> >> No problem - I haven't had time to look at the tags yet anyway. I'd
>>> >> hoped
>>> >> to get to that, and a bunch of other things that need doing in the
>>> >> greenhouse, over the Labor Day holiday here in the US, but
>>> as usual I'm
>>> >> way behind.
>>> >>
>>> >> Attached is a picture of the leaf. Both the infloresence
>>> and the leaf
>>> >> are
>>> >> more open now, and I'll try to take a couple more pictures today.
>>> >>
>>> >> Steve
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, 7 Sep 2009, Wilbert Hetterscheid wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Oops, I noticed I wrote that the one in the picture
>>> without the leaf is
>>> >>> Am.
>>> >>> atroviridis but that was a slip of the braincell. It
>>> looks more like
>>> >>> operculatus or like (hard to be sure without leaf).
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Sorry 'bout that, Steve.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Wilbert
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>>> >>> > Van: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com
>>> >>> > [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] Namens Steve Marak
>>> >>> > Verzonden: donderdag 3 september 2009 8:45
>>> >>> > Aan: Aroid list
>>> >>> > Onderwerp: [Aroid-l] Two amorphophalluses ... amorphophalli
>>> >>> > ... whatever
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Aroiders,
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > I've barely been in the greenhouse this week, but I noticed a
>>> >>> > stench in passing and investigation turned up these two.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > There are labels in the pots and I have no reason to doubt
>>> >>> > them but would appreciate the opinions of the experts just as
>>> >>> > confirmation - I have had aroid tubers move around
>>> >>> > mysteriously now and then, and a lot happened in a short time
>>> >>> > (with very little sleep) during the great ice storm.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Thanks,
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Steve
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > -- Steve Marak
>
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