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Re: What's is all about


Although its nice that you took the time to further explain your point of view and concerns I did not read one line of what should be done. There is a successful show, publication, newsletters, website, forum, facebook page and list server that runs flawlessly every year with the help of an all volunteer society. As a former board member I can tell you that a lot gets accomplished behind the scenes. Im not sure to whom you are referring when you speak of a board member not financially invested.  My momma used to always tell me not to discount someone else's idea without an idea of your own. It's easy to criticize but hard to think originally. To expound upon that I'm sure we are all waiting for you to step up to the plate and volunteer your services to "fix" our broken society. Of course I mean this in the least hostile way possible without losing the sincerity of my statements. 

Jason Sarine

The Bill of Rights, learn them and use them or else we lose them.

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment III

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

Amendment VII

In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

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Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 19:21:56 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
From: "Marlena" <electrocrypt@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] What is it all about?
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From: Greg Ruckert
Date: 08/09/2013 7:18:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] What is it all about?

Firstly I would like to thank all who have replied to my original email,
both through this forum and directly. It is now a week since I received my
last reply so I assume all have had their say.
The replies have raised more questions that they have answered.  

Firstly, to those that thought I wrote in anger, you have misjudged me. I
wrote in frustration at not being able to find answers to my questions, all
of which I felt were reasonable for an interested member to ask. I was
finally motivated to ask my questions when I noticed that one of our Board
members is not a financial member and nobody seems to have noticed.

To those that felt this is not the appropriate place to discuss issues
relating to the Society, I notice nobody suggested an alternative forum.
There is so little communication about Society issues and it is sad that
some thought it should be shut down.

I thank Zach for his response though it did raise more issues and confirm
some of my concerns. I recognise and appreciate the work done by volunteers
and am aware that the IAS would not survive without them.

I have seen so many (including international) plant societies fail and I do
not want to see that happen to the IAS.  It has certainly shrunk from what
it once was.
As I see it, there are a number of reasons why societies dimish and fail,
especially ones that do not have regular meetings.

The first of these is a lack of communication.  To the ordinary member there
is little communication between the Board members. It did disturb me to
watch the communications between Board members trying to find out what was
happening at the Show and Sale. Communication from the Board to the ordinary
members also appears to be almost nonexistent.  One hopes that this is not
because there is nothing to tell us. I also see little evidence of
communication between the Society and the general public.

The second issue is a lack of planning. If you don't plan to do anything
then nothing will happen and you end up responding to issues rather than
driving them.
The society does not appear to have any plans for the future and, from a
management perspective, that is a major concern.

The third issue is the failure to put plans into action, but without plans
then little will happen.

These are not matters that can be dealt with by the members, they are the
domain of the Board.

I hope that the new Board might look at some of these issues to help drive a
bright and growing future for the IAS.

Greg Ruckert
South Australia

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