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RE: community_garden digest, Vol 1 #911 - 6 msgs

  • Subject: [cg] RE: community_garden digest, Vol 1 #911 - 6 msgs
  • From: "Behnke, Ruth LDB:EX" <ruth.behnke@bcliquorstores.com>
  • Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 06:39:50 -0800
  • Content-return: allowed

Good Morning, 
I joined this to find out how to start a community garden, the toughest
question I came up with how big of a plot should I section out for each mini
farmer.  I've been reading the site and sharing in children songs.  I ask
you/anyone please help me with my query.  How big of a plot is needed?
Anything else I should know aside from the area should have at least 6 - 8
hours of uninterupted sun.  Wheelbarrows, waterbarrels and as bunch of old
hand tools.  Colored twine, and a common compost area.  Covered picnic table
to seat 15 - 19 people. Got that, but.  Well prices for space? How much  do
you charge.  Damage deposit?  Common chalk board for notices and
questions...I'm flying by the seat of my plants, any advise you could give
to someone whose great at mostly growings things.
From the sunny valley of Chilliwack, British Columbia.
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Today's Topics:

  1. FW: Press Release  What You Can Do -- Gardener recommendations on
downsizing/policies (Irene)
  2. U.S.A.'s Oldest Community Garden Is Endangered: Help Save the Mad
 ision, Wisconsin, Eagle Heights Community Garden! (Honigman, Adam)
  3. oldest community garden (Betsy Johnson)
  4. Correction: Boston has the  oldest continually operating communit
 y garden in the USA (Honigman, Adam)

--__--__--

Message: 1
From: Irene <irenes@cacscw.org>
To: "community_garden@mallorn.com" <community_garden@mallorn.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 12:11:14 -0600
Subject: [cg] FW: Press Release  What You Can Do -- Gardener recommendations
on downsizing/policies

No matter how venerable, a community garden can still be seen as an 
interim, special use. If you have the time & inclination, please send a 
letter of support to save Eagle Heights Garden from the chopping block in 
Madison, Wisconsin.


((((((((((((((()))))))))))))))))
Irene Sadowski
Community Action Coalition Garden Program
1717 N. Stoughton Rd.
Madison, WI 53704-2605
phone 608-246-4730 ext. 218
fax 608-246-4760
((((((((((((((()))))))))))))))))

-----Original Message-----
From:	David Shiffert [SMTP:DShiffert@edgewood.edu]
Sent:	Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:51 AM
To:	joem@cacscw.org; irenes@cacscw.org
Subject:	Press Release  What You Can Do -- Gardener recommendations
on 
downsizing/policies

Joe and Irene, I found some typos in Elisa's message that may confuse
folks.  Please use this version when sending out to others.

Please read this synopsis and lend your voice to this community campaign
to head off a misguided set of recommendations to the Campus Planning
Committee (recommended by the Campus Natural Areas Committee, a
subcommittee of the CPC).  As noted below, the issue has important
implications for the way that university officials interact with the
community at large, not just community gardeners at Eagle Heights.
Accordingly, it is crucial that the Chancellor hear from a substantial
number of non-gardeners on this issue.  We're here to answer any
questions you may have.  Please contact the student sender of this
message, or Elisa Graffy (alumnus) 231-9688.

Dear Gardener:

As you know, we held two meetings last week to talk with gardeners about
a
recent vote to downsize the Eagle Heights Community Gardens and new
proposed management and oversight policies for the Gardens. About 50
people
came to these meetings, and many more wrote back emails or called by
phone.
All expressed serious concerns and suggested what gardeners could do to
have a voice in the final outcome of these major decisions affecting the
Gardens.

Here's a recap of the two main issues(if you want more detail, let us
know)
and gardener reaction to each. At the end of this email is a bulleted
list
of what you can do, as recommended by the gardeners who met last week.
THIS
IS AN IMPORTANT TIME for individual gardeners to use their voice as
effectively as they can to ask for better decisions than those we've
been
given.

(A) GARDEN DOWNSIZING
On November 10, 2001, the Campus Natural Area Committee (CNAC)voted to
eliminate about 85 of the Eagle Heights Community Garden plots in parts
of
the 500s, 600s, 1100s, and 1200s rows. This decision came about because
of
the need of the University's College of Agriculture and Life Sciences
(CALS) experimental gardens to move to a
new space in the natural areas, and a desire by some for a prairie
restoration project in the fields above and alongside the gardens.

RESPONSE: Gardeners who met last week did not see any compelling reason
for
the significant loss (as much as 19%) of the gardens and were concerned
about the decision-making process that led to the vote. They noted that
the
CNAC is dominated by faculty dedicated to prairie restoration and that
the
GIS maps clearly show that the area assigned to prairie restoration is
already twice the area of the current garden. They questioned the
rationale
for seeking even more prairie land and displacing gardeners, given this
situation. They did not agree with the characterization of the EHCG as a
"special interest" seeking space in the CNA. No gardeners were persuaded
that the loss of space to the EHCG was really necessary, even with CALS
taking some space. Though unsure if the CNAC vote could be reconsidered,
gardeners believed the vote should be reconsidered and thought it was
worth
asking for.

(B)ELIMINATION OF SELF-GOVERNANCE AND REMOVAL OF CERTAIN GARDENERS
On November 10, members of the UW administration recommended that the
Campus Natural Area Committee adopt new management and oversight
policies
for Gardens. The CNAC will vote to accept, reject, or modify these
policies
toward the end of January, 2002. The recommended policies would place
the
gardens under the control of a new Oversight Committee made up of
representatives from Housing, CALS, CNAC, UW Facilities Management, and
the
Eagle Heights Community Gardens. This committee would replace the
current
system of self-governance that has been used by EHCG for most or all of
its
40-year history and would oversee day-to-day operations and long-term
planning functions, ranging from collecting plot fees and assigning
plots
to determining training needs, resolving disputes among gardeners,
making
garden policy, etc.  The proposed policies would also remove gardeners
who
are not considered to be part of the UW community. Those removed would
most
likely be alumni and city residents who are not students, faculty or
staff.

RESPONSE: Gardeners were very concerned about bureaucratizing day-to-day
garden business. They are dubious about the fact that none of the
proposed
committee members, except EHCG, possesses any expertise in organic
gardening and will no be able to make informed decisions about organic
garden management or gardener training. They believe a system of
self-governance has served the Gardens and the surrounding community
well
and should not be changed, except to work with Housing more closely on
managing finances according to established University procedures.
Gardeners
are concerned about the possible loss of alumni and community residents
who, though a minority of the gardeners, provide institutional memory,
mentoring, and many other assets to the gardens and to the wider UW
community. Strikingly, this concern was voiced by a cross-section of
gardeners, not only those who would be directly affected. Many felt the
University should be consistent in its view of alumni as either being
part
of the UW community or not, but not change definitions when it suited
them.

Overall, gardeners said they felt that the loss of plots is inequitable
and
unnecessary, based on rationales presented by the CNAC. They concluded
that
the proposed changes in policy would be disastrous for the gardens. They
said interaction with the CNAC during the last 6 months has reduced
their
trust in that committee because of the poor and unpredictable process.
They
noted that hours and hours of volunteer resources, the main fuel for
running the Gardens, could have been used for direct garden management
but
instead went to dealing with the CNAC process, which is creating worse
and
worse results for the Gardens as time goes on. The process and recent
vote
have caused turmoil among gardeners, who are now worried about the
reliability of having a plot next year and beyond. Finally, the proposal
to
eliminate alumni and community members from the garden has created a
sense
of disbelief and cynicism about how the University defines the
"University
community," a feeling that is not limited to those who would be targeted
by
those policies.

WHAT YOU CAN DO:
If you feel the same way, if you value the gardens and your place in
them
here are a few things you can do to help.

1. Write to the Chancellor RIGHT AWAY, even during the holiday season.
Tell
him you are concerned about the unnecessary loss of nearly one-fifth of
the
Eagle Height Community Gardens and that the proposed new management
policies for the gardens would be a disaster. Tell him who you are
(student, community memember, faculty, etc.). Tell him why you love the
gardens, and what you feel you would lose if the proposed changes are
adopted.  Ask him to reevaluate the decision to eliminate so many plots,
and let him know you feel the proposed policy changes should be
withdrawn
or rejected.

 John D. Wiley
 Chancellor, University of
 Wisconsin-Madison
 161 Bascom Hall
 Madison, WI 53706


 jdwiley@facstaff.wisc.edu

 (608) 262-9946




2. Share this note with all those who garden with you, as well as with
friends, colleagues and anyone who enjoys the gardens as a place to go
birding or walking. Ask them to write a letter to the Chancellor, too.
The
more people that are heard from the better our chances of maintaining
the
Gardens as we know them -- the oldest and largest continuously-running
community garden in the U.S.

3. If you are acquainted with community leaders or university
administrators, faculty, staff or students, talk to them about the
situation and ask for their support. Ask them to write a letter to the
Chancellor or use their influence to speak up for the Gardens. There is
a
well of support for the Gardens as a community institution and Madison
landmark, and the Chancellor needs to hear that.

4. Alumni can also contact the Alumni Association and let them know they
are worried about the University's treatment of alumni who garden at the
EHCG. It would be especially good for the Alumni Association to hear
from
alumni who have contributed money to the University or who are
rethinking
their contribution because of this situation.

5. Let the Garden Committee know if you send something, so we can know
how
many of you responded.

TIPS FOR WRITING:
-A paper letter is best but if an email is all you have time for, send
it
by all means!
-Send letters this week if possible, and BEFORE January 18th no matter
what.
-Use your own words to state what you are concerned about or adapt
passages
from this or other emails.
-Be sure to say what you want the Chancellor to do or support.
-Be clear about your affiliation (student, alumn, gardener,
non-gardening
city resident,former gardener, etc.)
-Sign or type your name clearly and include your contact information
(address, email, phone).





--__--__--

Message: 2
From: "Honigman, Adam" <Adam.Honigman@Bowne.com>
To: "'cybergardens@treebranch.org'" <cybergardens@treebranch.org>
Cc: "'community_garden@mallorn.com'" <community_garden@mallorn.com>,
"'DShiffert@edgewood.edu'" <DShiffert@edgewood.edu>,
"'irenes@cacscw.org'" <irenes@cacscw.org>
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 14:05:58 -0500
charset="iso-8859-1"
Subject: [cg] U.S.A.'s Oldest Community Garden Is Endangered: Help Save the
Mad
ision, Wisconsin, Eagle Heights Community Garden!

Friends,

Here is a cyberlink to the Eagle Heights Community Garden, the nation's
oldest ( mid 1960's!) and arguably largest community garden, which is on
land owned by the University of Wisconsin, Madison.
http://www.sit.wisc.edu/~ehgarden/ . This garden, an amazingly vibrant
space, the grandmother of all post-W.W. II era community gardens,  is an
organically run public community garden with plots that feed whole families.


The 20% of the Eagle Heights Garden is in danger of being bulldozed! This
may not seem to be much to many of us who may be overwhelmed by the size of
the garden, but once, bulldozing starts....

NYC Community Gardeners: I have reached out in the past for members of the
American Community Gardening Association who live outside of New York City
to help us with letters of support for NY gardens: the gardeners of the
Eagle Heights garden have been among our supporters.

Please read the attached message carefully and send out a letter to the
University of Wisconsin chancellor as soon as possible.  Decision making is
scheduled on this matter in the first two weeks of January ( January 18th is
too late.) Mail them out this week,  if humanly possible. 

Special note: If any of your friends, family or acquantances are University
of Wisconsin, Madison students, faculty, alumni, etc. (or even play one  on
television ;) ) please have them write too.

Please be sure to copy:

Irene Sadowski
Community Action Coalition Garden Program
1717 N. Stoughton Rd.
Madison, WI 53704-2605
phone 608-246-4730 ext. 218
fax 608-246-4760
e-mail: irenes@cacscw.org

Thank you!
Adam Honigman




No matter how venerable, a community garden can still be seen as an 
interim, special use. If you have the time & inclination, please send a 
letter of support to save Eagle Heights Garden from the chopping block in 
Madison, Wisconsin.


((((((((((((((()))))))))))))))))
Irene Sadowski
Community Action Coalition Garden Program
1717 N. Stoughton Rd.
Madison, WI 53704-2605
phone 608-246-4730 ext. 218
fax 608-246-4760
((((((((((((((()))))))))))))))))

-----Original Message-----
From:	David Shiffert [SMTP:DShiffert@edgewood.edu]
Sent:	Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:51 AM
To:	joem@cacscw.org; irenes@cacscw.org
Subject:	Press Release  What You Can Do -- Gardener recommendations
on 
downsizing/policies

Joe and Irene, I found some typos in Elisa's message that may confuse
folks.  Please use this version when sending out to others.

Please read this synopsis and lend your voice to this community campaign
to head off a misguided set of recommendations to the Campus Planning
Committee (recommended by the Campus Natural Areas Committee, a
subcommittee of the CPC).  As noted below, the issue has important
implications for the way that university officials interact with the
community at large, not just community gardeners at Eagle Heights.
Accordingly, it is crucial that the Chancellor hear from a substantial
number of non-gardeners on this issue.  We're here to answer any
questions you may have.  Please contact the student sender of this
message, or Elisa Graffy (alumnus) 231-9688.

Dear Gardener:

As you know, we held two meetings last week to talk with gardeners about
a
recent vote to downsize the Eagle Heights Community Gardens and new
proposed management and oversight policies for the Gardens. About 50
people
came to these meetings, and many more wrote back emails or called by
phone.
All expressed serious concerns and suggested what gardeners could do to
have a voice in the final outcome of these major decisions affecting the
Gardens.

Here's a recap of the two main issues(if you want more detail, let us
know)
and gardener reaction to each. At the end of this email is a bulleted
list
of what you can do, as recommended by the gardeners who met last week.
THIS
IS AN IMPORTANT TIME for individual gardeners to use their voice as
effectively as they can to ask for better decisions than those we've
been
given.

(A) GARDEN DOWNSIZING
On November 10, 2001, the Campus Natural Area Committee (CNAC)voted to
eliminate about 85 of the Eagle Heights Community Garden plots in parts
of
the 500s, 600s, 1100s, and 1200s rows. This decision came about because
of
the need of the University's College of Agriculture and Life Sciences
(CALS) experimental gardens to move to a
new space in the natural areas, and a desire by some for a prairie
restoration project in the fields above and alongside the gardens.

RESPONSE: Gardeners who met last week did not see any compelling reason
for
the significant loss (as much as 19%) of the gardens and were concerned
about the decision-making process that led to the vote. They noted that
the
CNAC is dominated by faculty dedicated to prairie restoration and that
the
GIS maps clearly show that the area assigned to prairie restoration is
already twice the area of the current garden. They questioned the
rationale
for seeking even more prairie land and displacing gardeners, given this
situation. They did not agree with the characterization of the EHCG as a
"special interest" seeking space in the CNA. No gardeners were persuaded
that the loss of space to the EHCG was really necessary, even with CALS
taking some space. Though unsure if the CNAC vote could be reconsidered,
gardeners believed the vote should be reconsidered and thought it was
worth
asking for.

(B)ELIMINATION OF SELF-GOVERNANCE AND REMOVAL OF CERTAIN GARDENERS
On November 10, members of the UW administration recommended that the
Campus Natural Area Committee adopt new management and oversight
policies
for Gardens. The CNAC will vote to accept, reject, or modify these
policies
toward the end of January, 2002. The recommended policies would place
the
gardens under the control of a new Oversight Committee made up of
representatives from Housing, CALS, CNAC, UW Facilities Management, and
the
Eagle Heights Community Gardens. This committee would replace the
current
system of self-governance that has been used by EHCG for most or all of
its
40-year history and would oversee day-to-day operations and long-term
planning functions, ranging from collecting plot fees and assigning
plots
to determining training needs, resolving disputes among gardeners,
making
garden policy, etc.  The proposed policies would also remove gardeners
who
are not considered to be part of the UW community. Those removed would
most
likely be alumni and city residents who are not students, faculty or
staff.

RESPONSE: Gardeners were very concerned about bureaucratizing day-to-day
garden business. They are dubious about the fact that none of the
proposed
committee members, except EHCG, possesses any expertise in organic
gardening and will no be able to make informed decisions about organic
garden management or gardener training. They believe a system of
self-governance has served the Gardens and the surrounding community
well
and should not be changed, except to work with Housing more closely on
managing finances according to established University procedures.
Gardeners
are concerned about the possible loss of alumni and community residents
who, though a minority of the gardeners, provide institutional memory,
mentoring, and many other assets to the gardens and to the wider UW
community. Strikingly, this concern was voiced by a cross-section of
gardeners, not only those who would be directly affected. Many felt the
University should be consistent in its view of alumni as either being
part
of the UW community or not, but not change definitions when it suited
them.

Overall, gardeners said they felt that the loss of plots is inequitable
and
unnecessary, based on rationales presented by the CNAC. They concluded
that
the proposed changes in policy would be disastrous for the gardens. They
said interaction with the CNAC during the last 6 months has reduced
their
trust in that committee because of the poor and unpredictable process.
They
noted that hours and hours of volunteer resources, the main fuel for
running the Gardens, could have been used for direct garden management
but
instead went to dealing with the CNAC process, which is creating worse
and
worse results for the Gardens as time goes on. The process and recent
vote
have caused turmoil among gardeners, who are now worried about the
reliability of having a plot next year and beyond. Finally, the proposal
to
eliminate alumni and community members from the garden has created a
sense
of disbelief and cynicism about how the University defines the
"University
community," a feeling that is not limited to those who would be targeted
by
those policies.

WHAT YOU CAN DO:
If you feel the same way, if you value the gardens and your place in
them
here are a few things you can do to help.

1. Write to the Chancellor RIGHT AWAY, even during the holiday season.
Tell
him you are concerned about the unnecessary loss of nearly one-fifth of
the
Eagle Height Community Gardens and that the proposed new management
policies for the gardens would be a disaster. Tell him who you are
(student, community memember, faculty, etc.). Tell him why you love the
gardens, and what you feel you would lose if the proposed changes are
adopted.  Ask him to reevaluate the decision to eliminate so many plots,
and let him know you feel the proposed policy changes should be
withdrawn
or rejected.

 John D. Wiley
 Chancellor, University of
 Wisconsin-Madison
 161 Bascom Hall
 Madison, WI 53706


 jdwiley@facstaff.wisc.edu

 (608) 262-9946




2. Share this note with all those who garden with you, as well as with
friends, colleagues and anyone who enjoys the gardens as a place to go
birding or walking. Ask them to write a letter to the Chancellor, too.
The
more people that are heard from the better our chances of maintaining
the
Gardens as we know them -- the oldest and largest continuously-running
community garden in the U.S.

3. If you are acquainted with community leaders or university
administrators, faculty, staff or students, talk to them about the
situation and ask for their support. Ask them to write a letter to the
Chancellor or use their influence to speak up for the Gardens. There is
a
well of support for the Gardens as a community institution and Madison
landmark, and the Chancellor needs to hear that.

4. Alumni can also contact the Alumni Association and let them know they
are worried about the University's treatment of alumni who garden at the
EHCG. It would be especially good for the Alumni Association to hear
from
alumni who have contributed money to the University or who are
rethinking
their contribution because of this situation.

5. Let the Garden Committee know if you send something, so we can know
how
many of you responded.

TIPS FOR WRITING:
-A paper letter is best but if an email is all you have time for, send
it
by all means!
-Send letters this week if possible, and BEFORE January 18th no matter
what.
-Use your own words to state what you are concerned about or adapt
passages
from this or other emails.
-Be sure to say what you want the Chancellor to do or support.
-Be clear about your affiliation (student, alumn, gardener,
non-gardening
city resident,former gardener, etc.)
-Sign or type your name clearly and include your contact information
(address, email, phone).





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out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org


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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 15:41:51 -0500
From: Betsy Johnson <betsyjohnson@mindspring.com>
To: Listserve CommunityGardening <community_garden@mallorn.com>
Reply-to: Betsy Johnson <betsyjohnson@mindspring.com>
Organization: Garden Futures
boundary="Boundary_(ID_oIhwk0QUDezGgVHWwR7Sug)"
Subject: [cg] oldest community garden

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Adam, 
Eagle Heights is not THE oldest (just one of the oldest).  The Richard
Parker Memorial Victory Gardens in Boston's Fenway area has been a
continuously operating community garden since 1942 (there may be a few other
of the war-time victory gardens around too).  The Fenway Victory Garden has
450 plots.  Betsy in Boston

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Adam, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Eagle Heights is not THE oldest (just one of
the 
oldest).&nbsp; The Richard Parker Memorial Victory Gardens in Boston's
Fenway 
area has been a continuously operating community garden since 1942 (there
may be 
a few other of the war-time victory gardens around too).&nbsp; The Fenway 
Victory Garden has 450 plots.&nbsp; Betsy in
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Message: 4
From: "Honigman, Adam" <Adam.Honigman@Bowne.com>
To: "'community_garden@mallorn.com'" <community_garden@mallorn.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 16:05:52 -0500
boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C18A63.463F3F30"
Subject: [cg] Correction: Boston has the  oldest continually operating
communit
y garden in the USA

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Friends, 
 
I defer to Betsy Johnson on this and most things community garden...
This New York boy stands corrected. The Richard Parker Memorial Victory
Garden has been continuously operated since 1942, eh....
 
Well I gotta go to Boston for more than the Green Monster and James Levine
taking over the music directorship of the Boston Symphony! 
 
Best wishes,
Adam Honigman
 
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Betsy Johnson [mailto:betsyjohnson@mindspring.com]
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 3:42 PM
To: Listserve CommunityGardening
Subject: [cg] oldest community garden


Adam, 
Eagle Heights is not THE oldest (just one of the oldest).  The Richard
Parker Memorial Victory Gardens in Boston's Fenway area has been a
continuously operating community garden since 1942 (there may be a few other
of the war-time victory gardens around too).  The Fenway Victory Garden has
450 plots.  Betsy in Boston

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class=415050421-21122001>Friends, </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=415050421-21122001></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=415050421-21122001>I 
defer to Betsy Johnson on this and most things community 
garden...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=415050421-21122001>This 
New York boy stands corrected. The Richard Parker Memorial Victory Garden
has 
been continuously operated since 1942, eh....</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=415050421-21122001></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=415050421-21122001>Well I 
gotta go to Boston for more than the Green Monster and James Levine taking
over 
the&nbsp;music directorship of the  Boston Symphony! </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=415050421-21122001></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=415050421-21122001>Best 
wishes,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=415050421-21122001>Adam 
Honigman</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=415050421-21122001></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=415050421-21122001></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=415050421-21122001></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=415050421-21122001></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=415050421-21122001></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma 
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Betsy Johnson 
[mailto:betsyjohnson@mindspring.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 21,
2001 
3:42 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Listserve CommunityGardening<BR><B>Subject:</B> [cg] 
oldest community garden<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Adam, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Eagle Heights is not THE oldest (just one of
the 
oldest).&nbsp; The Richard Parker Memorial Victory Gardens in Boston's
Fenway 
area has been a continuously operating community garden since 1942 (there
may be 
a few other of the war-time victory gardens around too).&nbsp; The Fenway 
Victory Garden has 450 plots.&nbsp; Betsy in
Boston</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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