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CALLING CANADIAN COMMUNITY GARDENS & GARDENERS TO SUPPORT AWINNEPEG GARDEN

  • Subject: [cg] CALLING CANADIAN COMMUNITY GARDENS & GARDENERS TO SUPPORT AWINNEPEG GARDEN
  • From: adam36055@aol.com
  • Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:05:05 -0500

 Friends, 
 
Karen Jones, from the "West Broadway Horticultural Society," Community Garden in Winnipeg needs some help from Canadian community gardeners, but is probably too quietly Canadian to ask for it. 
 
Ms. Jones and her comrades are trying to save her garden and she's dealing with the Winnipeg and perhaps Provincial governmental agencies. The issues are money, planning and power and I ain't Canadian, and outside of the NYC playbook, I don't have much specific advice I can give her, though she's been very nice and says that what we do in NYC is inspirational. 
 
But you Canadians are far more civil than I'm accustomed to being, so as I don't know what plays in Winnipeg in terms of direct political action to save a community garden, I'm reaching out to both Francophones and Anglophones here - community gardening should transend that kind of BS. 
 
 Please reach out to Ms. Karen Jones ( k.jones@uwinipeg.ca) with your strategies, letters of support so she can show governmental officials and whatever you believe you can to to be helpful. Ms. Jones has, she says, some important meetings coming up, so any Canadian experience has to be useful in dealing with the Canadian equivalent ( God help her) of former NYC mayor Rudolph Giuliani. 
 
While the CCG's steering committee may be happy to "twin" with Ms. Jones's garden, it's far more important that Canadian gardens, city horticultural groups, greening groups  reach out and "twin," visit, advise and provide what I call "immoral support," for the "West Broadway Horticultural Society,"gardeners in Winnipeg, please. 
 
Nothing like a pile of letters of support on letterhead from all over Canada, little notes to the local CBC affiliates talking about "developers vs. gardeners," and a few TV cameras showing up at that Winnipeg hearing to make things interesting. 
 
Why not? 
As a Scottish Canadian gardener said to me, " You might as well have fun during this life, because you'll be a long time dead." 
 
Regards, 
Adam Honigman
 
 
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Karen Jones <k.jones@uwinnipeg.ca>
To: adam36055@aol.com
Sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:14:51 -0600
Subject: Request to become sister garden


Hi Adam,  Thanks for responding to my letter. I know that alot of folks
have contributed to the ACGA but you stuck out and you were always
mentioning the Clinton Community Garden. i was reading a book called
'Sleepers' which took place in your part of the world in the 6o's. I did
check out your web site for the legislative stuff and then started
looking at other stuff on the links. And, as I've said, found it
trememdously helpful. Now, maybe you could approach the folks there and
tell them that you have ahad a request from the West Broadway
Horticultural Society to, not twin, with the Clinton Community Garden,
but for us to be a 'little sister garden'. Things are pretty grim here,
we lost the Parks and Rec. Dept. We have no Open Space Policy or zoning
or Community Garden Policy. Our garden has been established for 15 years
and not one of those years has it not been threatened with 'development"
(funny we thought we were developing it). Your garden is just such a
wonderful model of perserverance that we could really use your 'story'
as a best case scenerio at meetings which are coming up early in the new
year on policy for community gardens. It took 4 years of lobbying to get
this one meeting. I loved the square inch sale. And will suggest it to
our gardeners.   Let me know what you think.   Thanks for your time.   
Karen >>> <adam36055@aol.com> 12/27/05 1:14 PM >>>
 For Starters, thanks for the nice note from Winnipeg, and while I would
love to take the credit for being "a tremendous help...to the effort of
establishing Public Open Space (including community gardens)," it's the
US and Canadian American Community Gardening Association, it's highly
experienced membership and commitment to the free dispersal of what
we've learned - the "invented wheels," as you were to anyone crazy
enough to want to create community gardens and public open space, that
should take the credit. 
 
I'm just one, middle aged, opinionated, grouchy community gardener -
this ACGA list serve is filled with folks just like me!  (And not a few
whose sweetness of temperment serves as eternal approach to the "Mr.
Wilson vs. Dennis the Menace," deep in my soul.)
 
Also, the Clinton Community Garden website is a collective activity, and
the web volunteers, and writers of content over the years have all
worked together to make it a resource for other gardens.  Our garden was
lucky, in terms of what we were able to get done in the middle of
Manhattan, but we know other gardens can get lucky too.  
 
Pay yer dues, help out others, and try not to let the weeds take over.
 
Regards, 
Adam Honigman
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Karen Jones <k.jones@uwinnipeg.ca>
To: community_garden@mallorn.com
Sent: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:29:18 -0600
Subject: [cg] Re: Thank you Adam


Happy New Year to all the Community Gardens,     

  Time of year to review our blessings . First I want to thank Adam
Hongiman, someone who I've never met for the positive contributions to
this list serve and the trememdous help he has been to the effort of
establishing Public Open Space (including community gardens) in
Winnipeg, Manitoba.  Based on his diatribe about movie companies filming
community gardens and whether the film companies are members of the ACGA
I became a member. What he said made sense to me. 
 I also want to thank Adam for the history of the politics on the
Clinton Community Garden web site. I can't imagine the time that poured
into that.  5 years ago when I had to take off my gloves and put down my
spade to go and sit at the table with politicians I was not a happy
camper. My area of expertise is gardening not politics. We were at a
grave disadvantage. Five years later our garden is still at risk, but
not gone. Your history has helped us tremendously. It is good to know
that we are not alone.  Thanks so much.   

                                                              Karen
Jones
                                                               Secretary
West Broadway Hort. Soc
                                              Changing the World, One
Garden at a Time 

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Today's Topics:

  1. Classroom gro-lights/walls'o'water/hard times (Don Boekelheide)
  2. Re: Classroom gro-lights/walls'o'water/hard times (Mike McGrath)

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Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 09:01:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Don Boekelheide <dboekelheide@yahoo.com>
To: community_garden@mallorn.com
Subject: [cg] Classroom gro-lights/walls'o'water/hard times

Hi, Judy and all,

Interesting multilog on growing lights, thanks all for
an interesting exchange of ideas, and happy winter
holiday season to all. Nothing better than thinking
about gardening when it's cold outside (actually, here
in the Carolina piedmont, it's shirtsleeve weather
this morning...) and when pre-enlightenment Grinches
run Washington.

Anyway, so you want it for classrooms, Judy? You might
want to check out
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/nationalgardening/growlab.html.
The National Gardening Assn, building on the
experience of the Knox Parks Foundation in Hartford,
Conn., came up with a grow light for the classroom as
part of their 'Grow-Lab' program. You may want to
contact Jack Hale at Knox Parks to see what their
experience was. NGA has pushed the Grow-Lab program in
a big way, including using very fast growing mustards
to get something green for the kids to see.

In our very large school district,
Charlotte-Mecklenburg, the district purchased
Grow-Labs (a virtual mini-greenhouse) for all our
third grade classrooms several years ago. Many if not
most go unused - you might check your local school
science program to see if you don't already have some
around. Many teachers are afraid of them, I think -
new teachers don't know what to do with them, since
the training money was just for the first year.

I used one of these Grow-Lab one year more-or-less as
they suggest as a 'garden in a bubble' (black seeded
simpson meets W.?) (Of course, they are also great for
just growing transplants to set outside - if you have
a school garden, and if you have the people and access
to keep it going when school is not in session; or if
you have a community garden partner for the school/s
(win-win). Three observations:

* I philosophically have all kinds of issues with
growing gardens for kids indoors under highly
artificial conditions - only in America! But the kids
did love growing their own salad garden and the
harvest and 'salad party' was a huge success.

* The units themselves do use full spectrum bulbs but
don't get overly hot - probably, Mike, NGA worked to
design these right, youth gardening is one of their
main 'things'. They are worth looking at to steal
ideas from, Judy. One touch is a big cover of flexible
plastic sheeting that covers the whole unit like a
tent, holding in moisture and heat. The other is a
simple tray-based 'self-watering' system. The frame is
metal, and reasonably stable - better than any
jury-rigged 2x4 system I've ever seen (or made
myself). I think the easiest way to make a poor folks
version might be with that open metal restaurant
shelving (like what I saw in Chicago). We get bunches
of that sometimes at the recycling center's swap shop.

* NGA says they do discounts etc, and they are a
non-profit that, back in the early days, was very
close to ACGA. So, you might want to ask 'em about
recycled units, if they can cut you a deal, let you be
a demo, etc etc

Now, about wall'o'water. Hmmmm. Ken, this is the
second time I've heard good things about them
recently. A local small grower who has a beautiful
little (2-3 acres) truck farm swears by them, using
them that same way of getting an early start (he grows
summer tomatoes, and beats the market by 2-3 weeks
consistently. He is a skeptical guy, but swears by
'WOW'. So, two questions:
Where can you get walls'o'water cheap enough so
community gardeners can afford them, and are there any
alternatives or jury-rigs that work as well?

Cheers,

Don B, Charlotte, NC


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Message: 2
Reply-To: "Mike McGrath" <MikeMcG@PTD.net>
From: "Mike McGrath" <MikeMcG@PTD.net>
To: "Don Boekelheide" <dboekelheide@yahoo.com>,
<community_garden@mallorn.com>
Subject: Re: [cg] Classroom gro-lights/walls'o'water/hard times
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 12:54:09 -0500
reply-type=original

Don--Walls o Water are themselves a sophisticated version of the old
trick 
of surrounding a young plant with water-filled plastic liter or two
liter 
soda bottles; like WOWs, the water warms during the day and heats the
plant 
by night.
                                Yes, I am avoiding real work,    McG

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Boekelheide" <dboekelheide@yahoo.com>
To: <community_garden@mallorn.com>
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 12:01 PM
Subject: [cg] Classroom gro-lights/walls'o'water/hard times


> Hi, Judy and all,
>
> Interesting multilog on growing lights, thanks all for
> an interesting exchange of ideas, and happy winter
> holiday season to all. Nothing better than thinking
> about gardening when it's cold outside (actually, here
> in the Carolina piedmont, it's shirtsleeve weather
> this morning...) and when pre-enlightenment Grinches
> run Washington.
>
> Anyway, so you want it for classrooms, Judy? You might
> want to check out
> http://shop.store.yahoo.com/nationalgardening/growlab.html.
> The National Gardening Assn, building on the
> experience of the Knox Parks Foundation in Hartford,
> Conn., came up with a grow light for the classroom as
> part of their 'Grow-Lab' program. You may want to
> contact Jack Hale at Knox Parks to see what their
> experience was. NGA has pushed the Grow-Lab program in
> a big way, including using very fast growing mustards
> to get something green for the kids to see.
>
> In our very large school district,
> Charlotte-Mecklenburg, the district purchased
> Grow-Labs (a virtual mini-greenhouse) for all our
> third grade classrooms several years ago. Many if not
> most go unused - you might check your local school
> science program to see if you don't already have some
> around. Many teachers are afraid of them, I think -
> new teachers don't know what to do with them, since
> the training money was just for the first year.
>
> I used one of these Grow-Lab one year more-or-less as
> they suggest as a 'garden in a bubble' (black seeded
> simpson meets W.?) (Of course, they are also great for
> just growing transplants to set outside - if you have
> a school garden, and if you have the people and access
> to keep it going when school is not in session; or if
> you have a community garden partner for the school/s
> (win-win). Three observations:
>
> * I philosophically have all kinds of issues with
> growing gardens for kids indoors under highly
> artificial conditions - only in America! But the kids
> did love growing their own salad garden and the
> harvest and 'salad party' was a huge success.
>
> * The units themselves do use full spectrum bulbs but
> don't get overly hot - probably, Mike, NGA worked to
> design these right, youth gardening is one of their
> main 'things'. They are worth looking at to steal
> ideas from, Judy. One touch is a big cover of flexible
> plastic sheeting that covers the whole unit like a
> tent, holding in moisture and heat. The other is a
> simple tray-based 'self-watering' system. The frame is
> metal, and reasonably stable - better than any
> jury-rigged 2x4 system I've ever seen (or made
> myself). I think the easiest way to make a poor folks
> version might be with that open metal restaurant
> shelving (like what I saw in Chicago). We get bunches
> of that sometimes at the recycling center's swap shop.
>
> * NGA says they do discounts etc, and they are a
> non-profit that, back in the early days, was very
> close to ACGA. So, you might want to ask 'em about
> recycled units, if they can cut you a deal, let you be
> a demo, etc etc
>
> Now, about wall'o'water. Hmmmm. Ken, this is the
> second time I've heard good things about them
> recently. A local small grower who has a beautiful
> little (2-3 acres) truck farm swears by them, using
> them that same way of getting an early start (he grows
> summer tomatoes, and beats the market by 2-3 weeks
> consistently. He is a skeptical guy, but swears by
> 'WOW'. So, two questions:
> Where can you get walls'o'water cheap enough so
> community gardeners can afford them, and are there any
> alternatives or jury-rigs that work as well?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Don B, Charlotte, NC
>
>
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and 
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