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RE: community_garden digest, Vol 1 #994 - 4 msgs

  • Subject: [cg] RE: community_garden digest, Vol 1 #994 - 4 msgs
  • From: "Julie Berbiglia" <garden@scarrittbennett.org>
  • Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:39:15 -0600
  • Importance: Normal

RE: Adding sand to clay soil:

I would like to caution against adding sand to clay soil. Here in Middle
Tenness our clay is very thick and adding sand to it only makes it the
consistency of concrete! Lots of rotten leaves and compost is a better
solution for heavy clay soils.

Julie Berbiglia
Organic Garden Coordinator
Scarritt-Bennett Center
1008 19th Avenue South
Nashville, TN  37212-2166
615/340-7471
garden@scarrittbennett.org
www.scarrittbennett.org

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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: raised beds on wet soil (steveshome@juno.com)
  2. Re: wet soil (lisa vandyke)
  3. wet ground techniques (plenneke)
  4. Re: wet soil (plenneke)

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Message: 1
To: community_garden@mallorn.com
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:16:48 -0800
Subject: Re: [cg] raised beds on wet soil
From: steveshome@juno.com

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Hi Valarie,

You may wish to consider sand in your wet soil if it has a high clay
content, which is likely. The sand will allow quicker drainage.

Compost is always rightly prescribed for just about any soil problem and
it will serve you well. Evergreen wood chips are super as a mulch but you
may be in a location with lots of slugs or snails. These aren't the
beneficial garden critters you were thinking of, I suspect. They will
like that mulch to hang out in. Your young tender bean plants and such
will make a tasty nightly salad for these critters.

Removing a few inches of soil from permanent garden paths and placing it
on your beds may give you enough elevation to keep the plants from being
submerged during a rain. Consider making wider paths and narrower beds to
get the soil level where you need it. Might save some work especially if
you decide to haul in some sand and compost.

I agree entirely with Don on the subject of the fabric and gravel. They
are uncalled for.

Yours,

Steve Smoot
Spokane Farmers' Market Association

Valarie writes:
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:24:05 -0800

I have started working with a teachers at a local middle school who are
laying plans for a raised bed garden.  The ground on which the beds will
be
placed is typically soggy during the rainy season and there's some
concern
that the soil in the beds will not drain properly.  Someone has suggested
that a layer of fabric and then a layer of gravel be placed in the bottom
of
the beds before the soil.

My concern is that roots would be too restricted in a 8 to 10 inch layer
of
soil as the roots will be unable to reach threw to the ground.  Also, I
would be concerned that worms and other beneficial critters might not be
able to reach the soil in the beds with this barrier.

Any comments or suggestions on this?

Thanks.  Valarie
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Message: 2
From: "lisa vandyke" <vandykelisa@hotmail.com>
To: community_garden@mallorn.com
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:00:52 -0600
Subject: [cg] Re: wet soil


Hi there,
I agree with Don to not layer substrates, this causes a perched water table.
Raise the depth of the beds, making certain that they aren't on the low end
of the land, and mix in plenty of well composted organic matter, esp. (if
you can get it) composted tree bark. The larger the particle size, the
better the drainage, but don't tie up the nitrogen with uncomposted
material. The more clay you have in your soil, the more organic matter you
add... Good luck!
Lisa in Mpls.

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 10:49:24 +1200
To: community_garden@mallorn.com
From: plenneke <plenneke@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: [cg] wet ground techniques

<html><div>Hi Valerie,</div>
<div>I would like to put my tuppenyworth advise in as well.</div>
<div>To get your vegetable patch tro take off, and grow decent size
vegetables,</div>
<div>to get lovely flowerplants thriving, Use Wormcastings or vermicast,
</div>
<div>this works well when watered in.</div>
<div>The ideas are all excellent, make your beds as high as is
comfortable to work at.</div>
<div>My neighbor has raised beds, they are about half a metre high off
the groundlevel.</div>
<div>We have freedraining soil here, it is heavy pumice, quite grainy in
texture, but it</div>
<div>has very little foodvalue for the garden, that is why we get good
results with </div>
<div>that handful of wormcast around the plants regularly.</div>
<div>the advantage of wormcastings is, that it is natural, and cannot
&quot;burn&quot;</div>
<div>Good luck, your spring is just aropund teh corner now, we are having
a lovely</div>
<div>autumn here in New Zealand.</div>
<div>I breed worms and have wormcast available (fresh), packed in
resealable bags</div>
if you want it, I will export by airmail at cost.
<BR>

--Sincerely Yours :<br>
Hans H.Harmsen,<br>
E-Mail : <font color="#0000FF">plenneke@xtra.co.nz<br>
</font><font color="#000000">Website :
</font><font color="#0000FF">http://www.gronouwe.co.nz<br>
</font></html>


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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 10:52:19 +1200
To: community_garden@mallorn.com
From: plenneke <plenneke@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: [cg] Re: wet soil
Cc: plenneke@xtra.co.nz

<html><div>Hi Valerie,</div>
<div>I would like to put my tuppenyworth advise in as well.</div>
<div>To get your vegetable patch tro take off, and grow decent size
vegetables,</div>
<div>to get lovely flowerplants thriving, Use Wormcastings or vermicast,
</div>
<div>this works well when watered in.</div>
<div>The ideas are all excellent, make your beds as high as is
comfortable to work at.</div>
<div>My neighbor has raised beds, they are about half a metre high off
the groundlevel.</div>
<div>We have freedraining soil here, it is heavy pumice, quite grainy in
texture, but it</div>
<div>has very little foodvalue for the garden, that is why we get good
results with </div>
<div>that handful of wormcast around the plants regularly.</div>
<div>the advantage of wormcastings is, that it is natural, and cannot
&quot;burn&quot;</div>
<div>Good luck, your spring is just aropund teh corner now, we are having
a lovely</div>
<div>autumn here in New Zealand.</div>
<div>I breed worms and have wormcast available (fresh), packed in
resealable bags</div>
if you want it, I will export by airmail at cost.
<BR>

--Sincerely Yours :<br>
Hans H.Harmsen,<br>
E-Mail : <font color="#0000FF">plenneke@xtra.co.nz<br>
</font><font color="#000000">Website :
</font><font color="#0000FF">http://www.gronouwe.co.nz<br>
</font></html>




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