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Re: Sadleria cyatheoides

  • Subject: Re: [ferns] Sadleria cyatheoides
  • From: "Edgar Bates" epb888@cox.net
  • Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 23:44:51 -0800

Here in Southern California John Ekstrand used to sell a variant of Sadleria
cyatheoides which he called 'Big Red'. This is at low elevation with a
yearly temperature range of near freezing to over 80 deg. F. Humidity in the
summer is usually 50% and occassionally as low as 5%. Our rain season is
from October to April and amounts to, often, less than 10 inches. From April
to October it rarely rains at all, none most years.        Ed Bates
Phyllis Bates
Encinitas, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "mr.fern" <mr.fern@bigpond.com>
To: <ferns@hort.net>
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [ferns] Sadleria cyatheoides

> Hi Dean,
> We grow a lot of ferns with fed fronds and there are quite a few local
> native ferns here with emerging red fronds, mostly Blechnums.  We do find
> the more nutrients we give them, the less red the foliage so soil
> may play a part during evolution.  We are told that our ferns have great
> colour due to our cold and misty climate.  However we are only 400 metres
> above sea level.  In my experience, a red fronded variety always puts out
> red new fronds while a similar fern with green new fronds remains green.
> The ferns grown from the respective plants remain true to their parents.
> Rosemary Vulcz
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dean Ouer" <d.ouer@cox.net>
> To: <ferns@hort.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 3:02 PM
> Subject: [ferns] Sadleria cyatheoides
> > Hi all,
> > On a recent trip to Hawaii (Kona) I noticed large amounts of Sadleria
> > cyathiodes everywhere beginning abruptly at approx. 2200 feet elevation.
> All
> > had green emerging fronds. Then at around 3000 feet and higher they all
> > abruptly (so abruptly it hardly seemed possible) changed to identical
> looking
> > plants but all having red emerging fronds. Does anyone know for sure
> is
> > going on? If its the cooler weather, then my S. cyatheoides here in
> coastal
> > San Diego should be red since its similar weather to 4000 feet there. If
> its
> > the added rainfall at the higher elevation, same thing since I water a
> > here. I know there may be a lot of different theories but does anyone
> for
> > sure? I ordered Daniel Palmer's "Hawai'i's Ferns" and it doesn't say
> anything
> > about the red fronds. Could it really be a different variant or species?
> Has
> > anyone seen a red frond S. cyatheiodes at lower elevations in Hawaii.
> > Thanks,
> > Dean Ouer
> >
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