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Re: Fwd: Hofstra show

it really is very interesting and I think I understand it better.  I've
never been to a flower show, so I really had no idea. Thanks.
neIN, Z5
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Aplfgcnys@aol.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] Fwd: Hofstra show

> Kitty, it would be possible, however unlikely, to have 349 first
> place winners if all were different and each was worthy of a
> first place.  However, we don't subdivide indefinitely. If there
> were only three or four Geraniums, they would all compete in
> one class.  But if there were ten Geraniums, three "Rozanne,"
> three "Ballerina," and four others of other cultivars, we would
> make three classes unless two of the others were the same, in
> which case they would also be subdivided out.  We never
> subdivide out a single specimen unless there are two different
> entries that are each so outstanding as to be worthy of a first.
> To win a blue ribbon, an exhibit must score 90 points. We don't
> just give blues automatically, as some county fairs do.
> The object of the subdivisions is to group like specimens in
> such a way as to rank them, but in a group of ten Geraniums
> there might be three or four worthy of blue ribbons, and we try
> to find a way to recognize such quality.  It also sometimes
> happens that there is no worthy exhibit, and no ribbon is given.
> If you pay attention to such divisions at the next flower show you
> visit, you might begin to understand.
> In the Hofstra show, there was a huge Section of daffodils - some
> 192 specimens.  .The original schedule listed  10 classes, one
> each for the first 6 Divisions, one class for Division 7-8 (Jonquilla/
> Tazetta - these are usually later, so they didn't expect so many),
> 1 class for any-other Division, 2 classes for miniatures, which are
> never judged in the same class with standards, and one class for
> three blooms, same cultivar.  Now, for instance, Division I, Trumpet
> daffs, there were subdivisions for 'Mt. Hood,' 'King Alfred,'
> all of which had several specimens.  Then there would have been a
> subdivision for other yellow trumpets.  If there were several of one
> cultivar they would have been put together, but if there were only one
> of each of three or four cultivars, that would have been a class.  Same
> for white trumpets and bicolor trumpets.  Any time there were two or
> more with like characteristics, and at least one was award-worthy, a
> subdivision would have been made.  This does several things.  It
> recognizes merit, pleases exhibitors, and is easier and quicker for
> judging.  If you are judging a very large class with several good entries,
> it can be very difficult to choose the best.  Point-scoring is used to
> decide close competitions, but can be very time-consuming.
> I'm sure this is all more than you wanted to know.  My kids had a
> saying  - If you don't really want to know, don't ask Ma.
> Auralie
> In a message dated 04/20/2005 7:03:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> 4042N15@nationalhearing.com writes:
> Auralie, forgive my complete lack of knowledge of competition -  but if
> there are subdivisions "by genus, species, variety/cultivar, size, color,
> manner of  growth, or whatever else you can think of.", well, it seems to
> you could have 349 first place winners in 349 entries.  Maybe I'm not
> understanding it correctly.  An entry of Geranium 'Rozanne' would only
> compete against another entry of Geranium 'Rozanne'?  An entry of Gernaium
> cinereum 'Ballerina' would not compete against one of Geranium cinereum
> 'Carol'?  If this is the case how would you ever have "six or seven
> specimens in any one class"?
> Or...are classes developed after all entries are in, so you'd create the
> classes so they'd work out to "a maximum of six or seven specimens in any
> one class"? Seven entries of Geranium 'Rozanne' would be a class, but if
> there were a complete total of six of any kind of Geranium,  then that
> be a class?   If that were the case, I could see where it might cause sore
> feelings on where the lines are drawn.
> I have no interest in competing in anything, maybe that's why I can't
> it out.
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