RE: Pines in japanese gardens

Thanks for all the good suggestions so far! I was working my way through
Google refs, my terms were: shaping pines Japanese garden. I'm seeing that I
need to have a shape in mind before I start (I think so); bend the trunk
with guide wires (easy enough); cut out any branches that don't fit the
pattern (easy to cut...not so easy to decide); and strip out some needles. I
do need to go back and make sure the branches that are there will fit my
desired shape. 

Cyndi
 


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I once saw a gardener at work on the pines at the gardens in Portland
arboretum. He was stripping off all the needles & branches than grew
downward. This gave a very clean look. I tried this on one of mine & it
worked well until the tree got too tall to reach.
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> Cyndi,
> I don't have anything specific to tell you just yet, but I believe I 
> read somewhere that they are trained, like bonsai, but not like 
> bonsai. Bonsai are usually trained with wire wrapped around the 
> branch.  A tree
like
> the one you have would require something pulling the branch down.  Of
course
> it shouldn't be wire as that would cut into the branch.  Maybe it 
> would be that green stretch tape applied to a pliable stem and then 
> tied back to
the
> tree.
> If I come across anything more definitive I'll let you know.
>
> Kitty
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> From: "Johnson Cyndi D Civ AFFTC/ITSR" <cyndi.johnson@edwards.af.mil>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 9:06 AM
> Subject: [CHAT] Pines in japanese gardens
>
>
> > I'm looking for a "how-to" reference...a book, or web page, or 
> > whatever.
> You
> > know how pine trees in Japanese gardens have that kind of bonsai 
> > look,
> even
> > though they are full size? Kind of leaning, wind-swept, with very 
> > clean lines and a sort of sculptural quality to them? What I need to 
> > know is
how
> > to do that to a young pine tree that will end up eventually at about 
> > 5' tall, and planted in the ground. I know that bonsai get wrapped 
> > in wire
to
> > gradually bend them to the right shape, but I'm not sure if the same
thing
> > is done for a larger tree. It would have to be some darn heavy wire!
I've
> > never seen any that look like they are in the process, I have plenty 
> > of pictures of what I want, I've seen lots o' books on Japanese 
> > gardens but
I
> > haven't found the instructions on shaping a larger tree. Any hints?
> >
> > Cyndi
> >
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