Re: Pines in japanese gardens

I once saw a gardener at work on the pines at the gardens in Portland
arboretum. He was stripping off all the needles & branches than grew
downward. This gave a very clean look. I tried this on one of mine & it
worked well until the tree got too tall to reach.
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> Cyndi,
> I don't have anything specific to tell you just yet, but I believe I read
> somewhere that they are trained, like bonsai, but not like bonsai.
> Bonsai are usually trained with wire wrapped around the branch.  A tree
like
> the one you have would require something pulling the branch down.  Of
course
> it shouldn't be wire as that would cut into the branch.  Maybe it would be
> that green stretch tape applied to a pliable stem and then tied back to
the
> tree.
> If I come across anything more definitive I'll let you know.
>
> Kitty
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> From: "Johnson Cyndi D Civ AFFTC/ITSR" <cyndi.johnson@edwards.af.mil>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 9:06 AM
> Subject: [CHAT] Pines in japanese gardens
>
>
> > I'm looking for a "how-to" reference...a book, or web page, or whatever.
> You
> > know how pine trees in Japanese gardens have that kind of bonsai look,
> even
> > though they are full size? Kind of leaning, wind-swept, with very clean
> > lines and a sort of sculptural quality to them? What I need to know is
how
> > to do that to a young pine tree that will end up eventually at about 5'
> > tall, and planted in the ground. I know that bonsai get wrapped in wire
to
> > gradually bend them to the right shape, but I'm not sure if the same
thing
> > is done for a larger tree. It would have to be some darn heavy wire!
I've
> > never seen any that look like they are in the process, I have plenty of
> > pictures of what I want, I've seen lots o' books on Japanese gardens but
I
> > haven't found the instructions on shaping a larger tree. Any hints?
> >
> > Cyndi
> >
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