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Re: purple hems


Seems to me that since they cross so easily, the lines between species are probably very fuzzy and may, in fact, be more academic than real. That is certainly the case with most types of begonias and with bougainvilleas.

On Sunday, August 22, 2004, at 03:33 PM, Kitty wrote:

When it comes to our MG sales and mine at home, I figured it really didn't
matter that much. People just want to know if it's the one from the
roadside; they are looking for it for that reason. My friend insists that
NO! they are looking for the real fulva because it is a parent of many of
today's cultivars and they want to use it to create their own. It seems to
me that anyone looking for it for her reason would already be aware of the
confusion and ask about our/my stock before purchasing.


I'm hoping Chris and Auralie and other hem people will put in their 2 cents.

Kitty

----- Original Message -----
From: "james singer" <jsinger@igc.org>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] purple hems


When it reaches the point where you have to be a taxonomist to know
[begonias are another irritating example], I usually punt and label
them something like "H. fulva cultivar." Philodendrons will also drive
you nutso in a short period of time.

On Sunday, August 22, 2004, at 02:30 PM, Kitty wrote:

Speaking of daylilies,
A friend of mine is a hybridizer and has a 5 acre farm, mainly
daylilies.
She's some sort of officer in a national daylily society (I mention
all
this to indicate the woman know her hems). I was picking up some
plants she
was donating to CES and the subject arose of labeling plants for our MG
sales. She insisted that the roadside orange-ish daylilies that grow
in the
midwest are not Hemerocallis fulva. She's not very exact with
botanical
Latin and at first said they are H. europa, then indicated she meant H.
fulva f. europa. I later looked it up and I think she means H fulva
'Europa'. Her point was that what I have always called Tawny Daylily
and as
a child referred to as Tiger Lilies (not to be confused with Lilium
lancifolium) and grows in ditches, along roadsides, fencelines, etc is
a
sterile plant, which she indicates is 'Europa'. She says the real H.
fulva,
the species is not sterile and not such a rampant grower.


So I looked on the internet to see if I could find the difference in
descriptions or pictures.  This just made matters worse.  One concise
description indicated that Europa differs by have a yellow color at
the base
of the tepals.  Sure enough, mine do.  So then I looked for and found
pics
on believable sites that show the species with that same trait.  Then
I also
found so many pics of H. fulva, the species, that all looked quite
different
from one another.

So my head is swimming. Will the REAL Hemerocallis fulva please stand
up?
However, even if ours are 'Europa', that's still a H.fulva cultivar, so
marking it H. fulva isn't really *wrong*, is it? - just not quite
complete.
Any thoughts on this?


Kitty

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 1:00 PM
Subject: [CHAT] purple hems


I finally got out to check my purple daylilies, Crown Royal, but there
just
isn't enough of anything to dig since I just did it a year ago. Next
time
around I'll try to remember to mention it here before I sell/give it
all
away. Sorry.


Kitty

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Southwest Florida
27.0 N, 82.4 W
Zone 10a
Minimum 30 F [-1 C]

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