Re: purple hems

I'd think so, too.  All the more reason for a person who want the species to
use in hybridizing would NOT try to find it at a garage sale or MG plant
sale which consists mainly of divisions brough from our own gardens.

Perhaps, too that is why I saw so many different flowers labled H. fulva
when I did my search.  If you get a chance, try it, some don't even look
like they're related.
Kitty

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "james singer" <jsinger@igc.org>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] purple hems


> Seems to me that since they cross so easily, the lines between species
> are probably very fuzzy and may, in fact, be more academic than real.
> That is certainly the case with most types of begonias and with
> bougainvilleas.
>
> On Sunday, August 22, 2004, at 03:33 PM, Kitty wrote:
>
> > When it comes to our MG sales and mine at home, I figured it really
> > didn't
> > matter that much.  People just want to know if it's the one from the
> > roadside; they are looking for it for that reason.  My friend insists
> > that
> > NO! they are looking for the real fulva because it is a parent of many
> > of
> > today's cultivars and they want to use it to create their own.  It
> > seems to
> > me that anyone looking for it for her reason would already be aware of
> > the
> > confusion and ask about our/my stock before purchasing.
> >
> > I'm hoping Chris and Auralie and other hem people will put in their 2
> > cents.
> >
> > Kitty
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "james singer" <jsinger@igc.org>
> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 1:30 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CHAT] purple hems
> >
> >
> >> When it reaches the point where you have to be a taxonomist to know
> >> [begonias are another irritating example], I usually punt and label
> >> them something like "H. fulva cultivar." Philodendrons will also drive
> >> you nutso in a short period of time.
> >>
> >> On Sunday, August 22, 2004, at 02:30 PM, Kitty wrote:
> >>
> >>> Speaking of daylilies,
> >>> A friend of mine is a hybridizer and has a 5 acre farm, mainly
> >>> daylilies.
> >>> She's some sort of officer in a national daylily society  (I mention
> >>> all
> >>> this to indicate the woman know her hems).  I was picking up some
> >>> plants she
> >>> was donating to CES and the subject arose of labeling plants for our
> >>> MG
> >>> sales.  She insisted that the roadside orange-ish daylilies that grow
> >>> in the
> >>> midwest are not Hemerocallis fulva.  She's not very exact with
> >>> botanical
> >>> Latin and at first said they are H. europa, then indicated she meant
> >>> H.
> >>> fulva f. europa.  I later looked it up and I think she means H fulva
> >>> 'Europa'.  Her point was that what I have always called Tawny Daylily
> >>> and as
> >>> a child referred to as Tiger Lilies (not to be confused with Lilium
> >>> lancifolium) and grows in ditches, along roadsides, fencelines, etc
> >>> is
> >>> a
> >>> sterile plant, which she indicates is 'Europa'.  She says the real H.
> >>> fulva,
> >>> the species is not sterile and not such a rampant grower.
> >>>
> >>> So I looked on the internet to see if I could find the difference in
> >>> descriptions or pictures.  This just made matters worse.  One concise
> >>> description indicated that Europa differs by have a yellow color at
> >>> the base
> >>> of the tepals.  Sure enough, mine do.  So then I looked for and found
> >>> pics
> >>> on believable sites that show the species with that same trait.  Then
> >>> I also
> >>> found so many pics of H. fulva, the species, that all looked quite
> >>> different
> >>> from one another.
> >>>
> >>> So my head is swimming.  Will the REAL Hemerocallis fulva please
> >>> stand
> >>> up?
> >>> However, even if ours are 'Europa', that's still a H.fulva cultivar,
> >>> so
> >>> marking it H. fulva isn't really *wrong*, is it? - just not quite
> >>> complete.
> >>> Any thoughts on this?
> >>>
> >>> Kitty
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> >>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 1:00 PM
> >>> Subject: [CHAT] purple hems
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I finally got out to check my purple daylilies, Crown Royal, but
> >>>> there
> >>> just
> >>>> isn't enough of anything to dig since I just did it a year ago.
> >>>> Next
> >>>> time
> >>>> around I'll try to remember to mention it here before I sell/give it
> >>>> all
> >>>> away.  Sorry.
> >>>>
> >>>> Kitty
> >>>>
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