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Re: purple hems

OK, I did what I should have done - got out my Daylily book and got some
more info and found that the fulvas I have may be Europa.
I say that mine may be Europa because a defining point of that clone is
"clearly visible veins of a darker color."  Mine have clearly visible
midveins of a lighter color, but I think they might mean the veining
throughout the petals  which is definitely darker.  The book says Europa is
in fact self-sterile, but its pollen is fertile because it is a tetraploid.
The book goes on to say, "This is why it became the male parent of many of
the early hybrids and assumed importance in the development of modern


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] purple hems

> Hmmmmm, thought you were......thanks for looking into it Auralie. Now I
> wonder why Linneaus gave the 'yellow' name to Allium flava instead of to
> Allium moly. ;+)
> My friend gets into all the nitty gritty of hybridizing, chromosomes, etc,
> very intelligent woman, but for some reason she can't figure out some of
> simple points of botanical plant names. Just not important to her.
> Kitty
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Aplfgcnys@aol.com>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 3:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] purple hems
> >   Kitty, I'm not a hemerocallis person, though I wish I could be.  I
> > grow them any
> > more because of the deer - used to have a pretty good collection years
> > before the
> > deer became so numerous.  I did try to do a little research on the
> question,
> > and
> > discovered a few interesting facts.  First of all, Hemerocallis are not
> > listed as wildflowers
> > in any of the standard references, including the encyclopedic
> of
> > the World
> > even though they grow wild along roadsides in this area - or did before
> the
> > deer
> > population explosion.
> >   In  100 Flowers and How They Got Their Names, by Diana Wells, I found
> this
> > info:
> > "They were named by Linnaeus, and the names "fulva" for the tawny lily
> > "flava"
> > for the lemon lily are rare instances where he named specific plants by
> the
> > color of
> > their flowers."  I would conclude from this that the common "roadside"
> > daylily is
> > the H. fulva, and the 'Europa' is a cultivar.  I'd probably go with Jim
> and
> > call them all
> > H. fulva cultivars.
> >   Wells says that the large tetraploid dayliles are created with the
> of
> > colchicine,
> > an extract of the autumn crocus or Colchicum.
> >   She also reports that the young leaves, when eaten, are said to be
> slightly
> > intoxicating, and that the Chinese (the plant originally came from
> > called it "the plant of forgetfulness" as it was supposed to help ally
> sorrow by
> > causing forgetfulness.  Perhaps your friend who is confused about the
> species
> > and cultivars has been sampling the young leaves too freely.
> > Auralie
> >
> > In a message dated 08/22/2004 3:12:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > kmrsy@comcast.net writes:
> > I'm hoping Chris and Auralie and other hem people will put in their 2
> cents.
> >
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