Re: purple hems

> in fact self-sterile, but its pollen is fertile because it is a
tetraploid.

Ooops, I meant to write triploid.

Kitty

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] purple hems


> OK, I did what I should have done - got out my Daylily book and got some
> more info and found that the fulvas I have may be Europa.
> I say that mine may be Europa because a defining point of that clone is
> "clearly visible veins of a darker color."  Mine have clearly visible
> midveins of a lighter color, but I think they might mean the veining
> throughout the petals  which is definitely darker.  The book says Europa
is
> in fact self-sterile, but its pollen is fertile because it is a
tetraploid.
> The book goes on to say, "This is why it became the male parent of many of
> the early hybrids and assumed importance in the development of modern
> plants."
>
> Kitty
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 4:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] purple hems
>
>
> > Hmmmmm, thought you were......thanks for looking into it Auralie. Now I
> > wonder why Linneaus gave the 'yellow' name to Allium flava instead of to
> > Allium moly. ;+)
> >
> > My friend gets into all the nitty gritty of hybridizing, chromosomes,
etc,
> a
> > very intelligent woman, but for some reason she can't figure out some of
> the
> > simple points of botanical plant names. Just not important to her.
> >
> > Kitty
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <Aplfgcnys@aol.com>
> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 3:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CHAT] purple hems
> >
> >
> > >   Kitty, I'm not a hemerocallis person, though I wish I could be.  I
> can't
> > > grow them any
> > > more because of the deer - used to have a pretty good collection years
> ago
> > > before the
> > > deer became so numerous.  I did try to do a little research on the
> > question,
> > > and
> > > discovered a few interesting facts.  First of all, Hemerocallis are
not
> > > listed as wildflowers
> > > in any of the standard references, including the encyclopedic
> Wildflowers
> > of
> > > the World
> > > even though they grow wild along roadsides in this area - or did
before
> > the
> > > deer
> > > population explosion.
> > >   In  100 Flowers and How They Got Their Names, by Diana Wells, I
found
> > this
> > > info:
> > > "They were named by Linnaeus, and the names "fulva" for the tawny lily
> and
> > > "flava"
> > > for the lemon lily are rare instances where he named specific plants
by
> > the
> > > color of
> > > their flowers."  I would conclude from this that the common "roadside"
> > > daylily is
> > > the H. fulva, and the 'Europa' is a cultivar.  I'd probably go with
Jim
> > and
> > > call them all
> > > H. fulva cultivars.
> > >   Wells says that the large tetraploid dayliles are created with the
> help
> > of
> > > colchicine,
> > > an extract of the autumn crocus or Colchicum.
> > >   She also reports that the young leaves, when eaten, are said to be
> > slightly
> > > intoxicating, and that the Chinese (the plant originally came from
> China)
> > > called it "the plant of forgetfulness" as it was supposed to help ally
> > sorrow by
> > > causing forgetfulness.  Perhaps your friend who is confused about the
> > species
> > > and cultivars has been sampling the young leaves too freely.
> > > Auralie
> > >
> > > In a message dated 08/22/2004 3:12:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > kmrsy@comcast.net writes:
> > > I'm hoping Chris and Auralie and other hem people will put in their 2
> > cents.
> > >
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