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Re: Fw: And so this is Christmas,


We've heard from Eva's father before, fortunately she's not cut from the
same cloth politically, but I'm sure he makes up for it in other ways.  I
did not reply to his tirade against my earlier message, because, from
experience, I knew it would be to no avail.  However, somehow this message
that had originally been circulated among a list of individuals, ended up on
Chat, so many of those in the original circle won't be seeing these
replies -  including Eva's father.

Eva, I understand your dad's laments about having to do extra work to rake
in the bucks, but there are reasons this needs to be done.  Also, his reply
that he was originally going to let my message slide because I am so stupid,
kinda irked me.  His perspective is slanted, his "REAL" facts are biased,
and his grasp of the term, liberal, is corrupted.

But you are in good company, Eva.  My dad was no peach either.

Kitty

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "james singer" <jsinger@igc.org>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] Fw: And so this is Christmas,


> Your father, if that's who he is [hard to be sure with the pompous" E.
> John" stuff to a daughter if you're his daughter], just doesn't get it.
> Sorry for your pain, Eva. Please remember, you can pick your friends
> but not your relatives.
>
> On Sunday, December 26, 2004, at 05:10 PM, David Franzman wrote:
>
> > MessageHey Eva, your father sounds like mine.  That is if he actually
> > loves
> > you but disagrees with your politics.  My father has called me a moron
> > on many
> > occassions but it's a term of endearment with us.
> >
> > DF
> >
> > http://www.atouchofthetropics.net
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: E. John Tompkins, P.E.
> > To: kmrsy@comcast.net ; EvaTEsq@aol.com ; silverhawk@flash.net ;
> > jbukowski@fuscient.com ; chris@WIDOM-ASSOC.COM ; chucktrmc@netzero.com
> > ;
> > mdare@ptd.com ; Kdyou@aol.com ; ejtsbabe@gmail.com ;
> > gardenqueen@academicplanet.com ; dfranzma@pacbell.net ;
> > Heidi.Tompkins@HSTBusinessSolutions.com ; hodgesaa@earthlink.net ;
> > jlancione@NFPA.org ; jsinger@igc.org ; kasper97@juno.com ;
> > Iluvstringbass@aol.com ; RodL@aol.com ; maamodio@optonline.net ;
> > amege@juno.com ; mohlin@juno.com ; wmorgan972@ameritech.net ;
> > Joneills@aol.com
> > ; robbinsbaugh@earthlink.net ; zsanders@midsouth.rr.com ;
> > lschelter@hotmail.com ; stompkins@Bp-Tech.com ; shanany2@yahoo.com ;
> > WLees125@aol.com ; bandswright@hotmail.com ; wrightwn@comcast.net ;
> > usmc0402@comcast.net
> > Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 4:22 PM
> > Subject: And so this is Christmas,
> >
> >
> > Evie,
> >
> >     I was going to let this slide, as obviously the amount of rhetoric
> > is
> > inversely proportional to the actual knowledge of the subject, but
> > after your
> > reply, I have to set a few things straight with real facts.  First, My
> > small
> > companies are one of the large Corporate developers the left wing wacko
> > liberals claim are benefiting from these rule changes.  The attached
> > jpg shows
> > most of the 24 permits and environmental gov't agency approvals we
> > have to get
> > under the new simplified system, and this list is reduced because
> > fortunately
> > we don't have to cut one tree, shrub or large plant.  The additional
> > number of
> > permits & approvals is just plain ridicules if the cutting of just one
> > tree
> > were involved.  All of this is for a simple underwater HVDC
> > transmission line
> > which will be under ground for 1.5 miles on each end and run 10 -12
> > miles
> > under water.  This is even after we have been working for 6 months to
> > prepare
> > and prefiled all of our information and every agency to date has
> > agreed that
> > we have NO ADVERSE IMPACTS!  But even having no impacts can't reduce or
> > streamline the process because of the mandatory notification periods.
> >     Second, while a full Environmental Impact statement is not
> > required for
> > all projects, an EA or Environmental Assessment is required, and if
> > that
> > process results in identifying any real concerns, than a full EIS is
> > triggered
> > anyways.
> >     Third, as for $ impacts being considered in addition to endangered
> > species, that should have been done long ago.  It is only poetic
> > justice, that
> > some of the previous rules are the cause of some species now becoming
> > extinct.
> > In fact it is now recognized that extinction is the natural order of
> > things
> > and the optimum result that should occur in several situations.
> > Dinosaurs &
> > Dodo birds aren't around today for good reason.  An entire renewable
> > energy
> > project out west was stopped by the old rules, because a species of
> > snail,
> > (that's right insects and snails count), was deemed to be a nearly
> > extinct
> > species.  The Hydro project, which may not have even contributed to
> > this
> > miserable creatures existence or extinction, was not built and this
> > year a
> > devastating flood wiped this species out.
> >     Fourth, it will take a full time staff of several people just to
> > file the
> > number of unnecessary reports, which all say we have NO IMPACT!  If
> > the real
> > objective of the left wing radical liberals was to actually save trees,
> > reducing the number of unnecessary reports is the best first step.
> >     Fifth, The fact that permitting times are being reduced to 2 or 3
> > years
> > from 10 years is only logical and reasonable.  Some forests have been
> > growing
> > out of control and at a faster rate than a permit can be filed and
> > acted on.
> > The major forest fires last year wiped out more trees than the logging
> > ever
> > would have and caused far more severe problems to people & animals.
> >     Finally not allowing snowmobiles access where other forms of
> > transportation are allowed is blatant discrimination.  You can have
> > emission &
> > noise requirements, as has been done with automobiles, but
> > discriminating
> > against snowmobiles is blatantly unfair.  Only the far left liberals
> > believe
> > discrimination is ok for them, and when it is for their cause, but
> > wrong for
> > everyone else.  The Bush basher comments are to outrageous to merit a
> > response.  It was a good thing that the clear majority of the popular
> > vote was
> > rational enough to select Bush over Kerry.  Of course the democrats are
> > against the electorial college system, except when and if it may be
> > minipulated to their advantage.
> >
> > Merry Christmas & Love Dad,
> > E. John Tompkins, P.E.
> > COO of Sea Breeze Pacific RTS
> > CFO of Boundless Energy, LLC,
> > President of TR&MC, and
> > Director of Atlantic Energy Partners, LLC
> > for Project NeptuneRTS
> > ======================================
> > TOMPKINS, Research & Management Consulting
> > WEBSITE => www.trmc.com
> > E-MAIL => ejt@trmc.com
> > -----------------------
> > 203 Redstone Hill
> > Plainville, CT 06062
> > (860) 747-0497 phone
> > (860) 747-0279 fax
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: kmrsy@comcast.net [mailto:kmrsy@comcast.net]
> >   Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 1:19 PM
> >   To: EvaTEsq@aol.com; silverhawk@flash.net; jbukowski@fuscient.com;
> > chris@WIDOM-ASSOC.COM; chucktrmc@netzero.com; ejt007@comcast.net;
> > mdare@ptd.com; Kdyou@aol.com; ejtsbabe@gmail.com;
> > gardenqueen@academicplanet.com; dfranzma@pacbell.net;
> > Heidi.Tompkins@HSTBusinessSolutions.com; hodgesaa@earthlink.net;
> > jlancione@NFPA.org; jsinger@igc.org; kasper97@juno.com;
> > Iluvstringbass@aol.com; RodL@aol.com; maamodio@optonline.net;
> > amege@juno.com;
> > mohlin@juno.com; wmorgan972@ameritech.net; Joneills@aol.com;
> > robbinsbaugh@earthlink.net; zsanders@midsouth.rr.com;
> > lschelter@hotmail.com;
> > stompkins@Bp-Tech.com; shanany2@yahoo.com; WLees125@aol.com;
> > bandswright@hotmail.com; wrightwn@comcast.net; usmc0402@comcast.net
> >   Subject: Re: Fwd: And so this is Christmas
> >
> >
> >   Not to change the subject, Eva, but I also noticed the
> > administration gave
> > our environment, our national parks and forests another one of his
> > lumps of
> > coal.  Two days before Cmas his new rules went into effect.  No more
> > environmental impact studies, $ values will have equal consideration
> > with
> > endangered species and environmental situations.  Other types of
> > reports
> > declared unnecessary, cutting park planning times down from 10 yrs to
> > 2 or 3
> > yrs so they can starting cutting and selling off the timber more
> > quickly.
> > Snowmobiles in the parks will increase, polluting the environment and
> > endangering the habitat of many species.  I have had it!  I just want
> > to
> > scream!  And now you tell me we are cutting relief to those in need
> > around the
> > world.  I guess that makes Bush an equal opportunity destroyer.
> > Nothing and
> > no one is safe.  You want to know who the REAL terrorist is?
> >
> >   Kitty
> >
> >
> >     -------------- Original message --------------
> >
> > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a
> > name of permitting flowchart.jpg]
> >
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