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Re: New or Tried and True?
gardenchat@hort.net
  • Subject: Re: New or Tried and True?
  • From: BONNIE_HOLMES <bonnie_holmes@comcast.net>
  • Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 22:47:31 +0000 (UTC)

Mine is the Ceratostigma plumbaginoides.B  Looks great in the fall with the
red color



B

Remember the River Raisin, the Alamo, the Maine, Pearl Harbor, 911.

----- Original Message -----
From: "james singer" <inlandjim1@q.com>
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 1:59:01 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] New or Tried and True?

Maybe not, Daryl. I'm thinking of Plumbago auriculata and P. indica B 
(the red one). Didn't know there was a poseur named Ceratostigma B 
plumbaginoides. Have to look that one up. Thanks.

On Dec 22, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Daryl wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Are you and Bonnie talking about the same plumbago? The hardy B 
> plumbago is Ceratostigma plumbaginoides, not the same plumbago as B 
> grows in Fla. B It's got intense blue flowers, low growing, and B 
> foliage turns red in the autumn.
>
> d
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "james singer" <inlandjim1@q.com>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 4:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] New or Tried and True?
>
>
>> Yes, they seem to have better color with some shade.
>>
>> On Dec 22, 2010, at 12:45 PM, BONNIE_HOLMES wrote:
>>
>>> Mine are a nice bright blue. They reside on a slope under a B 
>>> popular tree.
>>>
>>> B
>>> ETN Zone 7
>>> Remember the River Raisin, the Alamo, the Maine, Pearl Harbor, 911.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "james singer" <inlandjim1@q.com>
>>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 11:35:28 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] New or Tried and True?
>>>
>>> Some of the blue plumbagos are quite nice, almost chicory B 
>>> quality, B but B
>>> there's a large variation, and some are, well, anemic. Don't much B 
>>> care B
>>> for the white or red ones though.
>>>
>>> On Dec 22, 2010, at 8:41 AM, BONNIE_HOLMES wrote:
>>>
>>>> I also have a bed of plumbago that has a wonderful blue color.
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>> ETN Zone 7
>>>> Remember the River Raisin, the Alamo, the Maine, Pearl Harbor, 911.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "andreah" <andreah@hargray.com>
>>>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 2:34:12 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: [CHAT] New or Tried and True?
>>>>
>>>> Oooohhhhhhhhhh I love the color of chicory-wish it would grow here!
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [mailto:owner-
>>>> gardenchat@hort.net] B
>>>> On Behalf
>>>> Of BONNIE_HOLMES
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 8:16 PM
>>>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] New or Tried and True?
>>>>
>>>> I like wildflowers, too and often take seeds from the road sides. B 
>>>> I B
>>>> now
>>>> have a chicory in the bed near the front door. I know some people
>>>> consider it trash but I think the blue flower is worth it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>> ETN Zone 7
>>>> Remember the River Raisin, the Alamo, the Maine, Pearl Harbor, 911.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Aplfgcnys@aol.com
>>>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 5:37:37 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] New or Tried and True?
>>>>
>>>> I may be a stick-in-the-mud, but I always go for the tried and B 
>>>> true.
>>>> If a new plant looks especially attractive, I watch it for a few B 
>>>> years
>>>> before I try it, but generally I stick with what I know will B 
>>>> work. B
>>>> What
>>>> annoys me is when I can't find an old established variety because B 
>>>> it
>>>> has been crowded out by something new.
>>>> I have a great love of wildflowers, and I have a good friend who B 
>>>> is B
>>>> also
>>>> a good grower, but she says she will not grow anything that has not
>>>> been improved by human development - she calls wildflowers garbage.
>>>> I think she is blinding herself to so much beauty with this B 
>>>> attitude.
>>>> Sure, development takes placde and many things are improved, but
>>>> that doesn't mean that the the things we had were not worthwhile.
>>>> Just my rant on the topic.
>>>> APL
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 12/18/2010 5:30:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>>>> cathycrc@comcast.net writes:
>>>>
>>>> My sentiments exactly!
>>>> Cathy, west central IL, z5b
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 18, 2010, at 10:30 AM, andreah wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm really leaning towards the tried and true. I LOVE LOVE LOVE
>>>>> those new
>>>>> Echinacea, however every single one I've ever tried has died B 
>>>>> except,
>>>>> of
>>>>> course the original purple cone flower. Those, I can't divide fast
>>>>> enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried the Limerock ruby back when it came out. It died. So, I am
>>>>> sticking
>>>>> with what I know will do here now. I don't want to spend the money
>>>>> and I
>>>>> want my plants to thrive!
>>>>> A
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [mailto:owner-gardenchat@hort.net]
>>>>> On Behalf
>>>>> Of Daryl
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 11:20 AM
>>>>> To: gardenchat
>>>>> Subject: [CHAT] New or Tried and True?
>>>>>
>>>>> I was reading a trade article and the interviewee was asked what B 
>>>>> he
>>>>> thought
>>>>> of
>>>>> some of the new perennials. He replied, " Coreopsis 'Crhme B 
>>>>> Brulee,'
>>>>> and
>>>>> 'Limerock Ruby': These were hot, hot plants five years ago.
>>>>> Everybody had to
>>>>> have them. Now, they're like the lepers of the perennial B 
>>>>> community."
>>>>>
>>>>> I like that phrase, "the lepers of the perennial community." It
>>>>> fits. The
>>>>> only
>>>>> thing good about some plants, like 'Limerock Ruby', is that they
>>>>> make way
>>>>> for
>>>>> something else to kill.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've seen so many plants come and go in my previous hort-head life
>>>>> that I
>>>>> now
>>>>> prefer to grow the tried and true. If they're newer plants, I want
>>>>> them
>>>>> tested
>>>>> in my climate. I don't care whether a plant does great in B 
>>>>> Chicago. I
>>>>> want it
>>>>> tested at UGA. Even though UGA is a bit warmer in winter than my
>>>>> area, and
>>>>> the
>>>>> soil is better, and there are plenty of garden slaves (hort
>>>>> students) to
>>>>> take
>>>>> care of the beds and to weed and water, at least it's humid - with
>>>>> hideously
>>>>> hot days and many hot nights. If a plant thrives there, it's B 
>>>>> likely B
>>>>> to
>>>>> survive
>>>>> in my garden.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you think? Are you still wanting plants that are on the
>>>>> cutting
>>>>> edge,
>>>>> or do you prefer to save the money and the aggravation?
>>>>>
>>>>> d
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>> Himself
>>>
>>> "I spent most of my money on booze, birds, and fast cars. The rest B 
>>> I B
>>> just squandered."--George Best
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>>
>> Himself
>>
>> "I spent most of my money on booze, birds, and fast cars. The rest B 
>> I B just squandered."--George Best
>>
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just squandered."--George Best

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----- Original Message -----
From: "james singer" <inlandjim1@q.com>
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 1:59:01 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] New or Tried and True?

Maybe not, Daryl. I'm thinking of Plumbago auriculata and P. indica B 
(the red one). Didn't know there was a poseur named Ceratostigma B 
plumbaginoides. Have to look that one up. Thanks.

On Dec 22, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Daryl wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Are you and Bonnie talking about the same plumbago? The hardy B 
> plumbago is Ceratostigma plumbaginoides, not the same plumbago as B 
> grows in Fla. B It's got intense blue flowers, low growing, and B 
> foliage turns red in the autumn.
>
> d
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "james singer" <inlandjim1@q.com>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 4:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] New or Tried and True?
>
>
>> Yes, they seem to have better color with some shade.
>>
>> On Dec 22, 2010, at 12:45 PM, BONNIE_HOLMES wrote:
>>
>>> Mine are a nice bright blue. They reside on a slope under a B 
>>> popular tree.
>>>
>>> B
>>> ETN Zone 7
>>> Remember the River Raisin, the Alamo, the Maine, Pearl Harbor, 911.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "james singer" <inlandjim1@q.com>
>>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 11:35:28 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] New or Tried and True?
>>>
>>> Some of the blue plumbagos are quite nice, almost chicory B 
>>> quality, B but B
>>> there's a large variation, and some are, well, anemic. Don't much B 
>>> care B
>>> for the white or red ones though.
>>>
>>> On Dec 22, 2010, at 8:41 AM, BONNIE_HOLMES wrote:
>>>
>>>> I also have a bed of plumbago that has a wonderful blue color.
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>> ETN Zone 7
>>>> Remember the River Raisin, the Alamo, the Maine, Pearl Harbor, 911.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "andreah" <andreah@hargray.com>
>>>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 2:34:12 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: [CHAT] New or Tried and True?
>>>>
>>>> Oooohhhhhhhhhh I love the color of chicory-wish it would grow here!
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [mailto:owner-
>>>> gardenchat@hort.net] B
>>>> On Behalf
>>>> Of BONNIE_HOLMES
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 8:16 PM
>>>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] New or Tried and True?
>>>>
>>>> I like wildflowers, too and often take seeds from the road sides. B 
>>>> I B
>>>> now
>>>> have a chicory in the bed near the front door. I know some people
>>>> consider it trash but I think the blue flower is worth it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>> ETN Zone 7
>>>> Remember the River Raisin, the Alamo, the Maine, Pearl Harbor, 911.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Aplfgcnys@aol.com
>>>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 5:37:37 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] New or Tried and True?
>>>>
>>>> I may be a stick-in-the-mud, but I always go for the tried and B 
>>>> true.
>>>> If a new plant looks especially attractive, I watch it for a few B 
>>>> years
>>>> before I try it, but generally I stick with what I know will B 
>>>> work. B
>>>> What
>>>> annoys me is when I can't find an old established variety because B 
>>>> it
>>>> has been crowded out by something new.
>>>> I have a great love of wildflowers, and I have a good friend who B 
>>>> is B
>>>> also
>>>> a good grower, but she says she will not grow anything that has not
>>>> been improved by human development - she calls wildflowers garbage.
>>>> I think she is blinding herself to so much beauty with this B 
>>>> attitude.
>>>> Sure, development takes placde and many things are improved, but
>>>> that doesn't mean that the the things we had were not worthwhile.
>>>> Just my rant on the topic.
>>>> APL
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 12/18/2010 5:30:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>>>> cathycrc@comcast.net writes:
>>>>
>>>> My sentiments exactly!
>>>> Cathy, west central IL, z5b
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 18, 2010, at 10:30 AM, andreah wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm really leaning towards the tried and true. I LOVE LOVE LOVE
>>>>> those new
>>>>> Echinacea, however every single one I've ever tried has died B 
>>>>> except,
>>>>> of
>>>>> course the original purple cone flower. Those, I can't divide fast
>>>>> enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried the Limerock ruby back when it came out. It died. So, I am
>>>>> sticking
>>>>> with what I know will do here now. I don't want to spend the money
>>>>> and I
>>>>> want my plants to thrive!
>>>>> A
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [mailto:owner-gardenchat@hort.net]
>>>>> On Behalf
>>>>> Of Daryl
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 11:20 AM
>>>>> To: gardenchat
>>>>> Subject: [CHAT] New or Tried and True?
>>>>>
>>>>> I was reading a trade article and the interviewee was asked what B 
>>>>> he
>>>>> thought
>>>>> of
>>>>> some of the new perennials. He replied, " Coreopsis 'Crhme B 
>>>>> Brulee,'
>>>>> and
>>>>> 'Limerock Ruby': These were hot, hot plants five years ago.
>>>>> Everybody had to
>>>>> have them. Now, they're like the lepers of the perennial B 
>>>>> community."
>>>>>
>>>>> I like that phrase, "the lepers of the perennial community." It
>>>>> fits. The
>>>>> only
>>>>> thing good about some plants, like 'Limerock Ruby', is that they
>>>>> make way
>>>>> for
>>>>> something else to kill.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've seen so many plants come and go in my previous hort-head life
>>>>> that I
>>>>> now
>>>>> prefer to grow the tried and true. If they're newer plants, I want
>>>>> them
>>>>> tested
>>>>> in my climate. I don't care whether a plant does great in B 
>>>>> Chicago. I
>>>>> want it
>>>>> tested at UGA. Even though UGA is a bit warmer in winter than my
>>>>> area, and
>>>>> the
>>>>> soil is better, and there are plenty of garden slaves (hort
>>>>> students) to
>>>>> take
>>>>> care of the beds and to weed and water, at least it's humid - with
>>>>> hideously
>>>>> hot days and many hot nights. If a plant thrives there, it's B 
>>>>> likely B
>>>>> to
>>>>> survive
>>>>> in my garden.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you think? Are you still wanting plants that are on the
>>>>> cutting
>>>>> edge,
>>>>> or do you prefer to save the money and the aggravation?
>>>>>
>>>>> d
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>> message text UNSUBSCRIBE GARDENCHAT
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>> Himself
>>>
>>> "I spent most of my money on booze, birds, and fast cars. The rest B 
>>> I B
>>> just squandered."--George Best
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>
>>
>> Himself
>>
>> "I spent most of my money on booze, birds, and fast cars. The rest B 
>> I B just squandered."--George Best
>>
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just squandered."--George Best

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