Re: New or Tried and True?
gardenchat@hort.net
  • Subject: Re: New or Tried and True?
  • From: j* s* <i*@q.com>
  • Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:56:32 -0800
And there ya go... mystery solved. Thanks again, and safe trip, Daryl.


On Dec 22, 2010, at 2:47 PM, BONNIE_HOLMES wrote:
Mine is the Ceratostigma plumbaginoides.B Looks great in the fall with the 
red color



B

Remember the River Raisin, the Alamo, the Maine, Pearl Harbor, 911.

----- Original Message -----
From: "james singer" <inlandjim1@q.com>
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 1:59:01 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] New or Tried and True?

Maybe not, Daryl. I'm thinking of Plumbago auriculata and P. indica B
(the red one). Didn't know there was a poseur named Ceratostigma B
plumbaginoides. Have to look that one up. Thanks.

On Dec 22, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Daryl wrote:


Jim,

Are you and Bonnie talking about the same plumbago? The hardy B
plumbago is Ceratostigma plumbaginoides, not the same plumbago as B
grows in Fla. B It's got intense blue flowers, low growing, and B
foliage turns red in the autumn.

d



----- Original Message ----- From: "james singer" <inlandjim1@q.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] New or Tried and True?



Yes, they seem to have better color with some shade.

On Dec 22, 2010, at 12:45 PM, BONNIE_HOLMES wrote:


Mine are a nice bright blue. They reside on a slope under a B
popular tree.

B
ETN Zone 7
Remember the River Raisin, the Alamo, the Maine, Pearl Harbor, 911.

----- Original Message -----
From: "james singer" <inlandjim1@q.com>
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 11:35:28 AM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] New or Tried and True?

Some of the blue plumbagos are quite nice, almost chicory B
quality, B but B
there's a large variation, and some are, well, anemic. Don't much B
care B
for the white or red ones though.

On Dec 22, 2010, at 8:41 AM, BONNIE_HOLMES wrote:


I also have a bed of plumbago that has a wonderful blue color.

B
ETN Zone 7
Remember the River Raisin, the Alamo, the Maine, Pearl Harbor, 911. 

----- Original Message -----
From: "andreah" <andreah@hargray.com>
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 2:34:12 PM
Subject: RE: [CHAT] New or Tried and True?
Oooohhhhhhhhhh I love the color of chicory-wish it would grow here! 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [mailto:owner-
gardenchat@hort.net] B
On Behalf
Of BONNIE_HOLMES
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 8:16 PM
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: Re: [CHAT] New or Tried and True?
I like wildflowers, too and often take seeds from the road sides. B 
I B
now
have a chicory in the bed near the front door. I know some people
consider it trash but I think the blue flower is worth it.


B
ETN Zone 7
Remember the River Raisin, the Alamo, the Maine, Pearl Harbor, 911. 

----- Original Message -----
From: Aplfgcnys@aol.com
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 5:37:37 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] New or Tried and True?

I may be a stick-in-the-mud, but I always go for the tried and B
true.
If a new plant looks especially attractive, I watch it for a few B
years
before I try it, but generally I stick with what I know will B
work. B
What
annoys me is when I can't find an old established variety because B 
it
has been crowded out by something new.
I have a great love of wildflowers, and I have a good friend who B
is B
also
a good grower, but she says she will not grow anything that has not been improved by human development - she calls wildflowers garbage. 
I think she is blinding herself to so much beauty with this B
attitude.
Sure, development takes placde and many things are improved, but
that doesn't mean that the the things we had were not worthwhile.
Just my rant on the topic.
APL

In a message dated 12/18/2010 5:30:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
cathycrc@comcast.net writes:

My sentiments exactly!
Cathy, west central IL, z5b

On Dec 18, 2010, at 10:30 AM, andreah wrote:


I'm really leaning towards the tried and true. I LOVE LOVE LOVE
those new
Echinacea, however every single one I've ever tried has died B
except,
of
course the original purple cone flower. Those, I can't divide fast 
enough.
I tried the Limerock ruby back when it came out. It died. So, I am 
sticking
with what I know will do here now. I don't want to spend the money 
and I
want my plants to thrive!
A

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [mailto:owner- gardenchat@hort.net] 
On Behalf
Of Daryl
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 11:20 AM
To: gardenchat
Subject: [CHAT] New or Tried and True?
I was reading a trade article and the interviewee was asked what B 
he
thought
of
some of the new perennials. He replied, " Coreopsis 'Crhme B
Brulee,'
and
'Limerock Ruby': These were hot, hot plants five years ago.
Everybody had to
have them. Now, they're like the lepers of the perennial B
community."

I like that phrase, "the lepers of the perennial community." It
fits. The
only
thing good about some plants, like 'Limerock Ruby', is that they
make way
for
something else to kill.
I've seen so many plants come and go in my previous hort-head life 
that I
now
prefer to grow the tried and true. If they're newer plants, I want 
them
tested
in my climate. I don't care whether a plant does great in B
Chicago. I
want it
tested at UGA. Even though UGA is a bit warmer in winter than my
area, and
the
soil is better, and there are plenty of garden slaves (hort
students) to
take
care of the beds and to weed and water, at least it's humid - with 
hideously
hot days and many hot nights. If a plant thrives there, it's B
likely B
to
survive
in my garden.

What do you think? Are you still wanting plants that are on the
cutting
edge,
or do you prefer to save the money and the aggravation?

d


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----- Original Message -----
From: "james singer" <inlandjim1@q.com>
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 1:59:01 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] New or Tried and True?

Maybe not, Daryl. I'm thinking of Plumbago auriculata and P. indica B
(the red one). Didn't know there was a poseur named Ceratostigma B
plumbaginoides. Have to look that one up. Thanks.

On Dec 22, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Daryl wrote:


Jim,

Are you and Bonnie talking about the same plumbago? The hardy B
plumbago is Ceratostigma plumbaginoides, not the same plumbago as B
grows in Fla. B It's got intense blue flowers, low growing, and B
foliage turns red in the autumn.

d



----- Original Message ----- From: "james singer" <inlandjim1@q.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] New or Tried and True?



Yes, they seem to have better color with some shade.

On Dec 22, 2010, at 12:45 PM, BONNIE_HOLMES wrote:


Mine are a nice bright blue. They reside on a slope under a B
popular tree.

B
ETN Zone 7
Remember the River Raisin, the Alamo, the Maine, Pearl Harbor, 911.

----- Original Message -----
From: "james singer" <inlandjim1@q.com>
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 11:35:28 AM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] New or Tried and True?

Some of the blue plumbagos are quite nice, almost chicory B
quality, B but B
there's a large variation, and some are, well, anemic. Don't much B
care B
for the white or red ones though.

On Dec 22, 2010, at 8:41 AM, BONNIE_HOLMES wrote:


I also have a bed of plumbago that has a wonderful blue color.

B
ETN Zone 7
Remember the River Raisin, the Alamo, the Maine, Pearl Harbor, 911. 

----- Original Message -----
From: "andreah" <andreah@hargray.com>
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 2:34:12 PM
Subject: RE: [CHAT] New or Tried and True?
Oooohhhhhhhhhh I love the color of chicory-wish it would grow here! 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [mailto:owner-
gardenchat@hort.net] B
On Behalf
Of BONNIE_HOLMES
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 8:16 PM
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: Re: [CHAT] New or Tried and True?
I like wildflowers, too and often take seeds from the road sides. B 
I B
now
have a chicory in the bed near the front door. I know some people
consider it trash but I think the blue flower is worth it.


B
ETN Zone 7
Remember the River Raisin, the Alamo, the Maine, Pearl Harbor, 911. 

----- Original Message -----
From: Aplfgcnys@aol.com
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 5:37:37 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] New or Tried and True?

I may be a stick-in-the-mud, but I always go for the tried and B
true.
If a new plant looks especially attractive, I watch it for a few B
years
before I try it, but generally I stick with what I know will B
work. B
What
annoys me is when I can't find an old established variety because B 
it
has been crowded out by something new.
I have a great love of wildflowers, and I have a good friend who B
is B
also
a good grower, but she says she will not grow anything that has not been improved by human development - she calls wildflowers garbage. 
I think she is blinding herself to so much beauty with this B
attitude.
Sure, development takes placde and many things are improved, but
that doesn't mean that the the things we had were not worthwhile.
Just my rant on the topic.
APL

In a message dated 12/18/2010 5:30:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
cathycrc@comcast.net writes:

My sentiments exactly!
Cathy, west central IL, z5b

On Dec 18, 2010, at 10:30 AM, andreah wrote:


I'm really leaning towards the tried and true. I LOVE LOVE LOVE
those new
Echinacea, however every single one I've ever tried has died B
except,
of
course the original purple cone flower. Those, I can't divide fast 
enough.
I tried the Limerock ruby back when it came out. It died. So, I am 
sticking
with what I know will do here now. I don't want to spend the money 
and I
want my plants to thrive!
A

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [mailto:owner- gardenchat@hort.net] 
On Behalf
Of Daryl
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 11:20 AM
To: gardenchat
Subject: [CHAT] New or Tried and True?
I was reading a trade article and the interviewee was asked what B 
he
thought
of
some of the new perennials. He replied, " Coreopsis 'Crhme B
Brulee,'
and
'Limerock Ruby': These were hot, hot plants five years ago.
Everybody had to
have them. Now, they're like the lepers of the perennial B
community."

I like that phrase, "the lepers of the perennial community." It
fits. The
only
thing good about some plants, like 'Limerock Ruby', is that they
make way
for
something else to kill.
I've seen so many plants come and go in my previous hort-head life 
that I
now
prefer to grow the tried and true. If they're newer plants, I want 
them
tested
in my climate. I don't care whether a plant does great in B
Chicago. I
want it
tested at UGA. Even though UGA is a bit warmer in winter than my
area, and
the
soil is better, and there are plenty of garden slaves (hort
students) to
take
care of the beds and to weed and water, at least it's humid - with 
hideously
hot days and many hot nights. If a plant thrives there, it's B
likely B
to
survive
in my garden.

What do you think? Are you still wanting plants that are on the
cutting
edge,
or do you prefer to save the money and the aggravation?

d


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