Re: Re:tomatoes: fruit or veggie

Which Civil War?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Island Jim" <jsinger@igc.org>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] Re:tomatoes: fruit or veggie


> thanks for straightening out my recollections,  josh. you said late
> 19th--would that be before or after the civil war?
>
>
> At 09:36 PM 1/8/03 -0500, you wrote:
> >Jim,
> >
> >           As a matter of fact, the Supreme Court's decision determining
> >tomatoes to be a vegeatble for purposes of the 1883 tariff act was
neither a
> >17th nor 18th century decision, but late 19th.  The case was Nix v.
Hedden,
> >149 U.S. 304 (1893).  The Court recognized that a tomato is a fruit when
> >considered botanically, but in common parlance, and use, it is typically
> >treated as a vegetable: a rather practical decision, in fact.  If you put
> >tomato in your vegetable soup, most people don't call it fruit and
vegetable
> >soup.  (And the Justices probably realized that Congress didn't have a
clue
> >anyway.)
> >
> >                                                      Josh Haskell
> >                                                      Ohio - zone 5
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "jim singer" <jsinger@igc.org>
> >To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 4:58 PM
> >Subject: Re: [CHAT] herbs and spices; OT, now tomato
> >
> >
> > > david, it was the u.s. supreme court that decided the tomato was a
> > > vegetable--in the 17th or 18th century. seems vegetable imports were
taxed
> > > but fruit imports were not and, well, the feds needed more revenues
[does
> > > this come as a surprise?]. at the time, it appears, we imported most
of
> >our
> > > tomatoes from the west indies.
> > >
> > >
> > > At 10:45 AM 12/30/02 -0800, you wrote:
> > > >I don't claim to be a culinary master however I do have a book
someplace
> >that
> > > >explains herbs and spices and goes into the history of both.  I
haven't
> > > >looked at
> > > >it in quite some time (not sure I could even find it) but the
question is
> > > >somewhat
> > > >like the fruit and vegetable thing.  A tomato is a fruit regardless
of
> > > >what Ronald
> > > >Reagan says.
> > > >
> > > >In general though herbs are leafy plants whose leaves are used either
> >whole or
> > > >crushed.  A spice is a seed or bark of certain or plants.  I can't
think
> >of an
> > > >exception to that right now but I'm sure there are some.
> > > >
> > > >DF
> > > >
> > > >Josh Haskell wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I know there are several culinary masters on the list.  Can anyone
> > > > explain the
> > > > > distinction between herbs and spices?
> > > > >
> > > >
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