Re: Re:tomatoes: fruit or veggie

There was more than one??

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Josh Haskell" <haskell@ncweb.com>
Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
Date:  Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:19:15 -0500

>Which Civil War?
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Island Jim" <jsinger@igc.org>
>To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:14 PM
>Subject: Re: [CHAT] Re:tomatoes: fruit or veggie
>
>
>> thanks for straightening out my recollections,  josh. you said late
>> 19th--would that be before or after the civil war?
>>
>>
>> At 09:36 PM 1/8/03 -0500, you wrote:
>> >Jim,
>> >
>> >           As a matter of fact, the Supreme Court's decision determining
>> >tomatoes to be a vegeatble for purposes of the 1883 tariff act was
>neither a
>> >17th nor 18th century decision, but late 19th.  The case was Nix v.
>Hedden,
>> >149 U.S. 304 (1893).  The Court recognized that a tomato is a fruit when
>> >considered botanically, but in common parlance, and use, it is typically
>> >treated as a vegetable: a rather practical decision, in fact.  If you put
>> >tomato in your vegetable soup, most people don't call it fruit and
>vegetable
>> >soup.  (And the Justices probably realized that Congress didn't have a
>clue
>> >anyway.)
>> >
>> >                                                      Josh Haskell
>> >                                                      Ohio - zone 5
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "jim singer" <jsinger@igc.org>
>> >To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>> >Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 4:58 PM
>> >Subject: Re: [CHAT] herbs and spices; OT, now tomato
>> >
>> >
>> > > david, it was the u.s. supreme court that decided the tomato was a
>> > > vegetable--in the 17th or 18th century. seems vegetable imports were
>taxed
>> > > but fruit imports were not and, well, the feds needed more revenues
>[does
>> > > this come as a surprise?]. at the time, it appears, we imported most
>of
>> >our
>> > > tomatoes from the west indies.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > At 10:45 AM 12/30/02 -0800, you wrote:
>> > > >I don't claim to be a culinary master however I do have a book
>someplace
>> >that
>> > > >explains herbs and spices and goes into the history of both.  I
>haven't
>> > > >looked at
>> > > >it in quite some time (not sure I could even find it) but the
>question is
>> > > >somewhat
>> > > >like the fruit and vegetable thing.  A tomato is a fruit regardless
>of
>> > > >what Ronald
>> > > >Reagan says.
>> > > >
>> > > >In general though herbs are leafy plants whose leaves are used either
>> >whole or
>> > > >crushed.  A spice is a seed or bark of certain or plants.  I can't
>think
>> >of an
>> > > >exception to that right now but I'm sure there are some.
>> > > >
>> > > >DF
>> > > >
>> > > >Josh Haskell wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > I know there are several culinary masters on the list.  Can anyone
>> > > > explain the
>> > > > > distinction between herbs and spices?
>> > > > >
>> > > >
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