Re: Re:tomatoes: fruit or veggie, now Civil War

     "More than one?"  Sure, lots of 'em.  The first one was in 1776 when a
bunch of rebellious colonists thought they could ignore their King.  Then
there was that one between the North and the South which some from the South
consider a war for independence, and not a civil war at all.  (I guess
terminolgy often depends on who wins and who loses.)  Since then we have had
all sorts of civil wars: labor wars, the war against poverty, the Battle of
Chicage at the 1968 convention, etc, etc.  Most of them not really very
civil when you stop to think about it.


Josh Haskell

Cold in Ohio


----- Original Message -----
From: "Pamela J. Evans" <gardenqueen@gbronline.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] Re:tomatoes: fruit or veggie


> There was more than one??
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Josh Haskell" <haskell@ncweb.com>
> Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> Date:  Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:19:15 -0500
>
> >Which Civil War?
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Island Jim" <jsinger@igc.org>
> >To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:14 PM
> >Subject: Re: [CHAT] Re:tomatoes: fruit or veggie
> >
> >
> >> thanks for straightening out my recollections,  josh. you said late
> >> 19th--would that be before or after the civil war?
> >>
> >>
> >> At 09:36 PM 1/8/03 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >Jim,
> >> >
> >> >           As a matter of fact, the Supreme Court's decision
determining
> >> >tomatoes to be a vegeatble for purposes of the 1883 tariff act was
> >neither a
> >> >17th nor 18th century decision, but late 19th.  The case was Nix v.
> >Hedden,
> >> >149 U.S. 304 (1893).  The Court recognized that a tomato is a fruit
when
> >> >considered botanically, but in common parlance, and use, it is
typically
> >> >treated as a vegetable: a rather practical decision, in fact.  If you
put
> >> >tomato in your vegetable soup, most people don't call it fruit and
> >vegetable
> >> >soup.  (And the Justices probably realized that Congress didn't have a
> >clue
> >> >anyway.)
> >> >
> >> >                                                      Josh Haskell
> >> >                                                      Ohio - zone 5
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: "jim singer" <jsinger@igc.org>
> >> >To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >> >Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 4:58 PM
> >> >Subject: Re: [CHAT] herbs and spices; OT, now tomato
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > david, it was the u.s. supreme court that decided the tomato was a
> >> > > vegetable--in the 17th or 18th century. seems vegetable imports
were
> >taxed
> >> > > but fruit imports were not and, well, the feds needed more revenues
> >[does
> >> > > this come as a surprise?]. at the time, it appears, we imported
most
> >of
> >> >our
> >> > > tomatoes from the west indies.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > At 10:45 AM 12/30/02 -0800, you wrote:
> >> > > >I don't claim to be a culinary master however I do have a book
> >someplace
> >> >that
> >> > > >explains herbs and spices and goes into the history of both.  I
> >haven't
> >> > > >looked at
> >> > > >it in quite some time (not sure I could even find it) but the
> >question is
> >> > > >somewhat
> >> > > >like the fruit and vegetable thing.  A tomato is a fruit
regardless
> >of
> >> > > >what Ronald
> >> > > >Reagan says.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >In general though herbs are leafy plants whose leaves are used
either
> >> >whole or
> >> > > >crushed.  A spice is a seed or bark of certain or plants.  I can't
> >think
> >> >of an
> >> > > >exception to that right now but I'm sure there are some.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >DF
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Josh Haskell wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > I know there are several culinary masters on the list.  Can
anyone
> >> > > > explain the
> >> > > > > distinction between herbs and spices?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
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