Re: Re:tomatoes: fruit or veggie, now Civil War

Then
there was that one between the North and the South which some from the South
consider a war for independence, and not a civil war at all.

I believe this one, in some corners, is still called the War of Northern
Aggression.

DF

Josh Haskell wrote:

>      "More than one?"  Sure, lots of 'em.  The first one was in 1776 when a
> bunch of rebellious colonists thought they could ignore their King.  Then
> there was that one between the North and the South which some from the South
> consider a war for independence, and not a civil war at all.  (I guess
> terminolgy often depends on who wins and who loses.)  Since then we have had
> all sorts of civil wars: labor wars, the war against poverty, the Battle of
> Chicage at the 1968 convention, etc, etc.  Most of them not really very
> civil when you stop to think about it.
>
> Josh Haskell
>
> Cold in Ohio
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pamela J. Evans" <gardenqueen@gbronline.com>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 6:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Re:tomatoes: fruit or veggie
>
> > There was more than one??
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > From: "Josh Haskell" <haskell@ncweb.com>
> > Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > Date:  Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:19:15 -0500
> >
> > >Which Civil War?
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Island Jim" <jsinger@igc.org>
> > >To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > >Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:14 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [CHAT] Re:tomatoes: fruit or veggie
> > >
> > >
> > >> thanks for straightening out my recollections,  josh. you said late
> > >> 19th--would that be before or after the civil war?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> At 09:36 PM 1/8/03 -0500, you wrote:
> > >> >Jim,
> > >> >
> > >> >           As a matter of fact, the Supreme Court's decision
> determining
> > >> >tomatoes to be a vegeatble for purposes of the 1883 tariff act was
> > >neither a
> > >> >17th nor 18th century decision, but late 19th.  The case was Nix v.
> > >Hedden,
> > >> >149 U.S. 304 (1893).  The Court recognized that a tomato is a fruit
> when
> > >> >considered botanically, but in common parlance, and use, it is
> typically
> > >> >treated as a vegetable: a rather practical decision, in fact.  If you
> put
> > >> >tomato in your vegetable soup, most people don't call it fruit and
> > >vegetable
> > >> >soup.  (And the Justices probably realized that Congress didn't have a
> > >clue
> > >> >anyway.)
> > >> >
> > >> >                                                      Josh Haskell
> > >> >                                                      Ohio - zone 5
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >----- Original Message -----
> > >> >From: "jim singer" <jsinger@igc.org>
> > >> >To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > >> >Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 4:58 PM
> > >> >Subject: Re: [CHAT] herbs and spices; OT, now tomato
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > > david, it was the u.s. supreme court that decided the tomato was a
> > >> > > vegetable--in the 17th or 18th century. seems vegetable imports
> were
> > >taxed
> > >> > > but fruit imports were not and, well, the feds needed more revenues
> > >[does
> > >> > > this come as a surprise?]. at the time, it appears, we imported
> most
> > >of
> > >> >our
> > >> > > tomatoes from the west indies.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > At 10:45 AM 12/30/02 -0800, you wrote:
> > >> > > >I don't claim to be a culinary master however I do have a book
> > >someplace
> > >> >that
> > >> > > >explains herbs and spices and goes into the history of both.  I
> > >haven't
> > >> > > >looked at
> > >> > > >it in quite some time (not sure I could even find it) but the
> > >question is
> > >> > > >somewhat
> > >> > > >like the fruit and vegetable thing.  A tomato is a fruit
> regardless
> > >of
> > >> > > >what Ronald
> > >> > > >Reagan says.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >In general though herbs are leafy plants whose leaves are used
> either
> > >> >whole or
> > >> > > >crushed.  A spice is a seed or bark of certain or plants.  I can't
> > >think
> > >> >of an
> > >> > > >exception to that right now but I'm sure there are some.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >DF
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >Josh Haskell wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > I know there are several culinary masters on the list.  Can
> anyone
> > >> > > > explain the
> > >> > > > > distinction between herbs and spices?
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
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