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Re: Re:tomatoes: fruit or veggie, now Civil War


Most wars aren't civil at all. I see you are using a broader definition,
which I accept. I think Ghandi once said "poverty is the worst form of
violence".



---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Josh Haskell" <haskell@ncweb.com>
Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
Date:  Thu, 16 Jan 2003 20:09:02 -0500

>Jim,
>
>          1893, after.   I think you'll find that in my earlier message.
>The Court was interpreting the tariff act of 1883.  Did I misunderstand your
>question?
>
>                                           Josh
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Island Jim" <jsinger@igc.org>
>To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 7:49 PM
>Subject: Re: [CHAT] Re:tomatoes: fruit or veggie, now Civil War
>
>
>> thanks. but try to answer the original question. or pass if you can't.
>it's
>> okay. we wo9n't hold it aginst you.
>>
>>
>> At 07:10 PM 1/16/03 -0500, you wrote:
>> >      "More than one?"  Sure, lots of 'em.  The first one was in 1776
>when a
>> >bunch of rebellious colonists thought they could ignore their King.  Then
>> >there was that one between the North and the South which some from the
>South
>> >consider a war for independence, and not a civil war at all.  (I guess
>> >terminolgy often depends on who wins and who loses.)  Since then we have
>had
>> >all sorts of civil wars: labor wars, the war against poverty, the Battle
>of
>> >Chicage at the 1968 convention, etc, etc.  Most of them not really very
>> >civil when you stop to think about it.
>> >
>> >
>> >Josh Haskell
>> >
>> >Cold in Ohio
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Pamela J. Evans" <gardenqueen@gbronline.com>
>> >To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>> >Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 6:40 PM
>> >Subject: Re: [CHAT] Re:tomatoes: fruit or veggie
>> >
>> >
>> > > There was more than one??
>> > >
>> > > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>> > > From: "Josh Haskell" <haskell@ncweb.com>
>> > > Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> > > Date:  Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:19:15 -0500
>> > >
>> > > >Which Civil War?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >----- Original Message -----
>> > > >From: "Island Jim" <jsinger@igc.org>
>> > > >To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>> > > >Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:14 PM
>> > > >Subject: Re: [CHAT] Re:tomatoes: fruit or veggie
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >> thanks for straightening out my recollections,  josh. you said late
>> > > >> 19th--would that be before or after the civil war?
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> At 09:36 PM 1/8/03 -0500, you wrote:
>> > > >> >Jim,
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >           As a matter of fact, the Supreme Court's decision
>> >determining
>> > > >> >tomatoes to be a vegeatble for purposes of the 1883 tariff act was
>> > > >neither a
>> > > >> >17th nor 18th century decision, but late 19th.  The case was Nix
>v.
>> > > >Hedden,
>> > > >> >149 U.S. 304 (1893).  The Court recognized that a tomato is a
>fruit
>> >when
>> > > >> >considered botanically, but in common parlance, and use, it is
>> >typically
>> > > >> >treated as a vegetable: a rather practical decision, in fact.  If
>you
>> >put
>> > > >> >tomato in your vegetable soup, most people don't call it fruit and
>> > > >vegetable
>> > > >> >soup.  (And the Justices probably realized that Congress didn't
>have a
>> > > >clue
>> > > >> >anyway.)
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >                                                      Josh Haskell
>> > > >> >                                                      Ohio - zone
>5
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >----- Original Message -----
>> > > >> >From: "jim singer" <jsinger@igc.org>
>> > > >> >To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>> > > >> >Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 4:58 PM
>> > > >> >Subject: Re: [CHAT] herbs and spices; OT, now tomato
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > > david, it was the u.s. supreme court that decided the tomato
>was a
>> > > >> > > vegetable--in the 17th or 18th century. seems vegetable imports
>> >were
>> > > >taxed
>> > > >> > > but fruit imports were not and, well, the feds needed more
>revenues
>> > > >[does
>> > > >> > > this come as a surprise?]. at the time, it appears, we imported
>> >most
>> > > >of
>> > > >> >our
>> > > >> > > tomatoes from the west indies.
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > At 10:45 AM 12/30/02 -0800, you wrote:
>> > > >> > > >I don't claim to be a culinary master however I do have a book
>> > > >someplace
>> > > >> >that
>> > > >> > > >explains herbs and spices and goes into the history of both.
>I
>> > > >haven't
>> > > >> > > >looked at
>> > > >> > > >it in quite some time (not sure I could even find it) but the
>> > > >question is
>> > > >> > > >somewhat
>> > > >> > > >like the fruit and vegetable thing.  A tomato is a fruit
>> >regardless
>> > > >of
>> > > >> > > >what Ronald
>> > > >> > > >Reagan says.
>> > > >> > > >
>> > > >> > > >In general though herbs are leafy plants whose leaves are used
>> >either
>> > > >> >whole or
>> > > >> > > >crushed.  A spice is a seed or bark of certain or plants.  I
>can't
>> > > >think
>> > > >> >of an
>> > > >> > > >exception to that right now but I'm sure there are some.
>> > > >> > > >
>> > > >> > > >DF
>> > > >> > > >
>> > > >> > > >Josh Haskell wrote:
>> > > >> > > >
>> > > >> > > > > I know there are several culinary masters on the list.  Can
>> >anyone
>> > > >> > > > explain the
>> > > >> > > > > distinction between herbs and spices?
>> > > >> > > > >
>> > > >> > > >
>> > >
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>> > > Pam Evans
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