Re: Re:tomatoes: fruit or veggie, now Civil War

Believe that. If I had a dollar for every Confederate flag flying in
yards and on bumpers in Texas (let alone 'secede' bumper stickers), I
could retire tomorrow and comfortably too. Some are still a tad touchy
about that. Amazing after all this time.


---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: David Franzman <dfranzma@pacbell.net>
Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
Date:  Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:32:10 -0800

>Then
>there was that one between the North and the South which some from the South
>consider a war for independence, and not a civil war at all.
>
>I believe this one, in some corners, is still called the War of Northern
>Aggression.
>
>DF
>
>Josh Haskell wrote:
>
>>      "More than one?"  Sure, lots of 'em.  The first one was in 1776 when a
>> bunch of rebellious colonists thought they could ignore their King.  Then
>> there was that one between the North and the South which some from the South
>> consider a war for independence, and not a civil war at all.  (I guess
>> terminolgy often depends on who wins and who loses.)  Since then we have had
>> all sorts of civil wars: labor wars, the war against poverty, the Battle of
>> Chicage at the 1968 convention, etc, etc.  Most of them not really very
>> civil when you stop to think about it.
>>
>> Josh Haskell
>>
>> Cold in Ohio
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Pamela J. Evans" <gardenqueen@gbronline.com>
>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 6:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Re:tomatoes: fruit or veggie
>>
>> > There was more than one??
>> >
>> > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>> > From: "Josh Haskell" <haskell@ncweb.com>
>> > Reply-To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> > Date:  Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:19:15 -0500
>> >
>> > >Which Civil War?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >----- Original Message -----
>> > >From: "Island Jim" <jsinger@igc.org>
>> > >To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>> > >Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:14 PM
>> > >Subject: Re: [CHAT] Re:tomatoes: fruit or veggie
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> thanks for straightening out my recollections,  josh. you said late
>> > >> 19th--would that be before or after the civil war?
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> At 09:36 PM 1/8/03 -0500, you wrote:
>> > >> >Jim,
>> > >> >
>> > >> >           As a matter of fact, the Supreme Court's decision
>> determining
>> > >> >tomatoes to be a vegeatble for purposes of the 1883 tariff act was
>> > >neither a
>> > >> >17th nor 18th century decision, but late 19th.  The case was Nix v.
>> > >Hedden,
>> > >> >149 U.S. 304 (1893).  The Court recognized that a tomato is a fruit
>> when
>> > >> >considered botanically, but in common parlance, and use, it is
>> typically
>> > >> >treated as a vegetable: a rather practical decision, in fact.  If you
>> put
>> > >> >tomato in your vegetable soup, most people don't call it fruit and
>> > >vegetable
>> > >> >soup.  (And the Justices probably realized that Congress didn't have a
>> > >clue
>> > >> >anyway.)
>> > >> >
>> > >> >                                                      Josh Haskell
>> > >> >                                                      Ohio - zone 5
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >----- Original Message -----
>> > >> >From: "jim singer" <jsinger@igc.org>
>> > >> >To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>> > >> >Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 4:58 PM
>> > >> >Subject: Re: [CHAT] herbs and spices; OT, now tomato
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > > david, it was the u.s. supreme court that decided the tomato was a
>> > >> > > vegetable--in the 17th or 18th century. seems vegetable imports
>> were
>> > >taxed
>> > >> > > but fruit imports were not and, well, the feds needed more revenues
>> > >[does
>> > >> > > this come as a surprise?]. at the time, it appears, we imported
>> most
>> > >of
>> > >> >our
>> > >> > > tomatoes from the west indies.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > At 10:45 AM 12/30/02 -0800, you wrote:
>> > >> > > >I don't claim to be a culinary master however I do have a book
>> > >someplace
>> > >> >that
>> > >> > > >explains herbs and spices and goes into the history of both.  I
>> > >haven't
>> > >> > > >looked at
>> > >> > > >it in quite some time (not sure I could even find it) but the
>> > >question is
>> > >> > > >somewhat
>> > >> > > >like the fruit and vegetable thing.  A tomato is a fruit
>> regardless
>> > >of
>> > >> > > >what Ronald
>> > >> > > >Reagan says.
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >In general though herbs are leafy plants whose leaves are used
>> either
>> > >> >whole or
>> > >> > > >crushed.  A spice is a seed or bark of certain or plants.  I can't
>> > >think
>> > >> >of an
>> > >> > > >exception to that right now but I'm sure there are some.
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >DF
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >Josh Haskell wrote:
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > > I know there are several culinary masters on the list.  Can
>> anyone
>> > >> > > > explain the
>> > >> > > > > distinction between herbs and spices?
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > >
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