Re: Re: was Northern Blooms now Northern vs. Southern Blooms

And I figure that both "Lonicera fragrantissima"  and  "the Helleborus
foetidus" are singular.    ;-)

In either case, I've seen both far south of here with no problems. (In
shade, of course).

d

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <kmrsy@comcast.net>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] was Northern Blooms now Northern vs. Southern Blooms


> Daryl,
> Sorry, I guess I was assuming some things.
>
> Here's what Gene said:
> "Your mention of Lonicera fragrantissima is about the 3rd or 4th time the
> name has come up of late. What can you tell be about this one? Personal
> experience over how long a period of time? Working on my real winter
> bloomers for the garden.... again
>     If you are not growing the Helleborus foetidus you are missing a good
> bet. In bud since mid December, some are opening now. Went untouched by
our
> snow and cold snap. Among the best of the best in the foliage department.
> Long narrow serrated leaves on stalks about 2 feet in height ... sometimes
> more. About that or a bit more in width. Blooms are green bells sometimes
> rimed in bronze. Winter foliage is almost olive-black with a sheen and the
> blooms stalk is bright yellow-green. Cool!"
> _____+++++++++
> When someone refers to Lonicera, a shrub or vine, I - and I thought most
> people - think in terms of singles. When someone refers to Helleborus,
> perennials, the plural comes to mind. When Pam wrote "they fry", I
> intuited the Hellebores rather than the Lonicera. As an example, in
> Gene's words above, he wrote, "Lonicera fragrantissima ...What can you
> tell be about this ONE?". When he later wrote of the Hellebores,
> "Helleborus foetidus ...SOME are opening now."
>
>
> There is no hard and fast rule - no rule at all really - just the manner
> in which I've heard gardeners talk or write. From Pam's clarification,
> it appears she did mean the Hellebores. Perhaps I shouldn't have jumped
> in to explain on her behalf, though. Sorry.
>
>
> Kitty
>
>
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
>
> > And from the original message that included 2 plants, I'm supposed to
deduce
> > Helleborus foetidus how? The message Pam quoted included all of Gene's
> > original.
> >
> >
> > d
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From:
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 3:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] was Northern Blooms now Northern vs. Southern
Blooms
> >
> >
> > > Daryl, scroll down for pertinent message parts: Helleborus foetidus.
> > > Sometimes you have to be a real detective on this list because we
really
> > > love our pronouns and half the time "it" ot "they" just isn't enough
to
> > > tell people what you are talking about.

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