Re: Prayers needed

>  In our screwy society, sex
> is supposedly verboten but bloody violence is not...

I'm not sure what you meant by supposedly, but heck, it is everywhere, which
also causes a lot of problems for our society.  I have nothing against sex,
mind you, I just don't like seeing it thrown in our and our kids faces
non-stop.  Have you seen the commercials for the new fall animated show?

What you wrote re violence I found interesting because I thought that, as a
'civilized' society we should be heading in the direction of less violence.
Most 'thinking' people, it seems to me, do operate in a more non-violent
vein, but, as you put it, the veneer is cracking.  Sad.

Kitty

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marge Talt" <mtalt@hort.net>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 12:07 AM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] Prayers needed


> Mardi, what happened to your friend is horrible...I do so hope she
> recovers fully and quickly.  And, I hope they catch the bastard(s)
> and throw the book at him/them.
>
> Jim, it's not just you "maturing"....I think this type of mindless
> violence IS more prevalent than it was 30 years ago AND the media
> seem to concentrate on it as about the only news so we hear about it
> more than we used to back in the 50s and 60s.
>
> But so much that is going on in our society now seems to promote this
> kind of behavior...TV, movies...you can't show people violence 24x7
> and not have it effect how they behave.  In our screwy society, sex
> is supposedly verboten but bloody violence is not...topsy turvy value
> system at work in this country.
>
> That said, violence, both mindless and purposeful, has taken place
> since time began.  I've been reading some works on English history
> from about 400 through 1800.  Up until about the mid 1600s, life for
> the ordinary person was incredibly violent - they were continually
> being raped, killed and maimed by whatever warring party happened
> across them - with virtually no recourse since there were no
> universal courts or laws; the average person was totally at the mercy
> of whoever owned the land they lived on.  If you go back further into
> history, the violence that was the norm in ancient Greece and Rome is
> amazing.  Violence seems to be a part of the human animal - not a
> good part, but it's there right under the surface.  Civilization
> appears to be a very thin veneer that is cracking in good many
> places.
>
> Also think that there are simply too many people now, crowded into
> too small areas.  Overcrowding has negative impact on many
> species...humans included.  Plus the extreme mobility of society
> means that people are strangers to each other so there's no community
> watching who knows the person, their parents and grandparents and all
> their relatives; no community censure for bad behavior as there was
> when people were more stationary.  And, our court system drags on and
> on, so anybody who perpetrates knows that justice will not be swift
> and sure if they are caught.  If they think (which is doubtful) they
> probably know they'll be able to cop a plea and likely get off pretty
> Scott free in the end; no incentive to behave anymore.  Not only
> that, with the dissolution of the mental hospitals, there are
> thousands of people on the street who are several bricks shy of a
> load; who should not be out and about for the safety of the rest of
> the population.
>
> Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
> mtalt@hort.net
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> > From: james singer <jsinger@igc.org>
> > That's terrible. Maybe it's just me getting old, but I seem to read
>
> > about or hear about more of this sort of mindless violence now than
> at
> > any previous time. I have no idea why, but if I had to guess, I
> would
> > guess it's partly the result of the polarization that seems to have
>
> > infected our society. When you have some moronic WT at a rally--a
> > staged rally in Atlanta, I might add, organized by the Republican
> > party--to support the war in Iraq rant about women who do not shave
>
> > their arm pits, you know we've got big, big trouble, and right here
> in
> > River City.
>
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