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Re: Re: Four O'Clocks, wedding..now 40th

Judy: ROTFL...unless you're secretly implying that I'm getting
dim-witted in my middle age?? Hmmph! Truth be told, when I was in
college I had brain surgery...no lie...and one of the things my
neurosurgeon found was a tiny hole in my skull with a small piece of
brain tissue trapped on the outside of my skull underneath a fluid
filled capsule of scalp. He earned my life long devotion when he said it
only proved I had too many brains for my own good! :-) Guess I can
afford to lose a few cells here and there as I age then..HaHa!

Melody, IA (Z 5/4)

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious."    
--Albert Einstein

 --- On Sun 07/11, Judy L Browning < judybrowning@lewiston.com > wrote:
From: Judy L Browning [mailto: judybrowning@lewiston.com]
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 21:36:03 -0700
Subject: Re: [CHAT] Re: Four O'Clocks, wedding..

Don't know what I was thinking of. Haven't been chiming in on
emailing<br>birthday wishes didn't intend to mention mine. Let me wish a
belated Happy<br>Birthday to all those I've neglected.<br>Mine is the
31st.<br>I've got a decade + more than you Melody. I wish I could send
you the card a<br>coworker gave me on my 40th.<br>Picture on the front
of a head with something small leaping off,<br>"AAAaaaiiiieeee!" Inside.
"I know we lose brain cells as we age,<br>I just wish mine weren't so
dramatic about it."<br><br> Judy B<br>z 6 Idaho, raining again tonight
after a warm bright afternoon.<br>----- Original Message -----<br>From:
"Melody" <mhobertm@excite.com><br>To: <gardenchat@hort.net><br>Sent:
Saturday, July 10, 2004 8:19 AM<br>Subject: Re: [CHAT] Re: Four
O'Clocks, wedding..<br><br><br>> Judy: When is your birthday? My 40th is
right around the corner. A<br>> hammock, eh?? That sounds perfect to
me...what better thing could I ask<br>> for than something to rest my
bones in after a hard day in the garden? I<br>> am getting old, ya know!
HaHa! BTW, I've never felt better or more<br>> centered in my whole
life...I think 40 is going to be great...The one<br>> thing I am most
thankful to God for is that year by year, my life just<br>> keeps
getting better...<br>><br>><br>> Melody, IA (Z 5/4)<br>><br>> "The most
beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious."<br>> --Albert
Einstein<br>><br>> --- On Fri 07/09, Judy L Browning <
judybrowning@lewiston.com > wrote:<br>> From: Judy L Browning [mailto:
judybrowning@lewiston.com]<br>> To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>> Date: Fri,
9 Jul 2004 10:43:10 -0700<br>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Re: Four O'Clocks,
wedding..<br>><br>> It's so nice to know it's possible to live a quiet
happy life. I've<br>> laughed<br>out loud at these stories, recognizing
friends and family<br>> that would fit<br>right in the mix. Despite the
disagreements and<br>> frustrations that are part<br>of any marriage, I
live a pretty<br>> unexciting life. And get down on my knees
&amp;<br>thank God I don't<br>> hav

e the &quot;excitement&quot; some folk experience. I<br>>
really<br>believe a person can change and be better than before.<br>>
Otherwise those<br>experiences are just wasted time. Unfortunately,
some<br>> folks just don't get<br>it, or buy into the lie that mistakes
are<br>> permanent and change impossible.<br>Oh, sorry, getting off the
soapbox<br>> now,<br>Judy<br>z 6 Idaho, warm breezy sunny, almost
perfect summer day<br>> here. All I need is<br>a hammock. Hmm birthday
coming up, maybe some out<br>> right begging will do the<br>trick? Heh
heh<br>----- Original Message<br>> -----<br>From: &quot;Melody&quot;
&lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;<br>Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 10:04<br>>
PM<br>Subject: Re: [CHAT] Re: Four O'Clocks,
wedding..<br><br><br>&gt;<br>> Ya know...I grew up thinking all families
were as bad as mine...I<br>> didn't<br>&gt; know it was
dysfunctional...thought that was normal. Then<br>> I thought I<br>&gt;
learned differently when I met my husband's family<br>> and friends.
Now<br>&gt; maybe, thanks to all of you...I'm beginning to<br>> think
it's my husband's<br>&gt; family that is abnormal and the screwed<br>>
up rest of us...are more normal<br>&gt; than we think we are.
LOL!!!<br>> :-)<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Melody, IA (Z
5/4)<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>> &quot;The most beautiful thing we can
experience is the<br>> mysterious.&quot;<br>&gt; --Albert
Einstein<br>&gt;<br>&gt; --- On Thu<br>> 07/08, Jesse Bell &lt;
silverhawk@flash.net &gt; wrote:<br>&gt; From:<br>> Jesse Bell [mailto:
silverhawk@flash.net]<br>&gt; To:<br>> gardenchat@hort.net<br>&gt; Date:
Thu, 8 Jul 2004 12:44:46 -0700<br>> (PDT)<br>&gt; Subject: Re: [CHAT]
Re: Four O'Clocks,<br>> wedding..<br>&gt;<br>&gt; OHMYGOSH
Kitty...that's horrible. Geeeeez<br>> Louise. So....your
family<b<br>><br>> r>&gt; and&lt;br&gt;my family sound related?! Are we
cousins? Feel free<br>> to jump in<br>&gt;
there&lt;br&gt;Andrea...(Andrea and I trade stories<br>> about our
family all<br>&gt;<br>> the&lt;br&gt;tim

&lt;kmrsy@comcast.net&gt;<br>&gt; wrote:&lt;br&gt;Re &gt; &gt; Well,
the<br>> dysfunctional part would be:...&lt;br&gt;Jesse, I<br>&gt; was
being<br>> facetious when I asked. However, your fleshing
out<br>&gt;<br>> the&lt;br&gt;material was pretty interesting, so, if I
were to say I<br>> still<br>&gt; didn't get it,&lt;br&gt;maybe you'd
tell us more?<br>> ;+)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To balance this I<br>&gt; can
add that my older<br>> sister decided to kill herself on
my&lt;br&gt;wedding<br>&gt; day<br>> (didn't succeed) apparently because
I asked her to make<br>> a&lt;br&gt;turkey.<br>&gt; The turkey was the
simplest thing I could<br>> come up with for her as&lt;br&gt;she<br>&gt;
kept asking for something<br>> to contribute. Then for my second
wedding<br>&gt; I&lt;br&gt;came darned<br>> close to trying to kill
myself, so yes, I can<br>&gt;<br>>
relate.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Kitty&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;----- Original<br>>
Message ----- &lt;br&gt;From:<br>&gt; &quot;Jesse Bell&quot;<br>>
&lt;br&gt;To: &lt;br&gt;Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 1:33<br>&gt;<br>>
PM&lt;br&gt;Subject: Re: [CHAT] Re: Four O'Clocks,<br>>
wedding..&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Oh<br>&gt; yes...I did
the<br>> shower and helped plan the food and coordinate.<br>&gt;<br>>
They&lt;br&gt;&gt; got married on the 2nd of July but did not leave
for<br>> the&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; cruise/honeymoon till Monday so on
Sunday we<br>> had the new in-law<br>&gt; family&lt;br&gt;&gt; and our
family (parents,<br>> brothers, sister, aunts, etc) at<br>&gt; our house
for&lt;br&gt;&gt; a<br>> cookout, drinks and fireworks. The groom's,
mother,<br>&gt; father<br>> and&lt;br&gt;&gt; stepmother were there.
That was funny to watch<br>&gt;<br>>
too.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Well, the
dysfunctional<br>> part would be: the second ex<br>&gt; wife who is
no&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>> relation to the bride or groom, and when
my<br>&gt; stepda<br>><br>> ug<br>> hter lived with her,&lt;br&gt;

&gt; they HATED each other, and yet she<br>> was<br>&gt; escorted down
the aisle like she&lt;br&gt;&gt; was FAMILY<br>> for Pete's sake.
NOBODY<br>&gt; wanted her there but my<br>> stepdaughter&lt;br&gt;&gt;
didn't want to &quot;hurt her<br>&gt;<br>> feelings&quot; so when she
invited herself to the&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>> wedding...Nic said<br>&gt;
&quot;well....O.K.&quot;. This is the woman<br>> who spread
horrible&lt;br&gt;&gt; rumors about<br>&gt; my husband and<br>> his
family that were not true....yet odd<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>>
ly&lt;br&gt;&gt; enough...continues to impose at our family<br>&gt;<br>>
functions.&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; AND...the people
in<br>> my family and my<br>&gt; husband''s ex who can't seem
to&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>> function in this world unless they<br>&gt; have
taken some sort of drug<br>> or have&lt;br&gt;&gt; a glass of alcohol in
their<br>&gt; hands...or<br>> worse..they've MIXED
them...and&lt;br&gt;&gt; become so obnoxious<br>> you<br>&gt; can't
stand to be around them. Remember the<br>> old&lt;br&gt;&gt; toys you
got in the<br>&gt; gum machine...the black<br>> and white scottie dogs
that&lt;br&gt;&gt; were magnets?<br>&gt; and if<br>> you pushed one
towards the other it would scoot&lt;br&gt;&gt; away?<br>> Well,<br>&gt;
that would be my sister or my husband's ex...they would<br>>
come&lt;br&gt;&gt; into a<br>&gt; room and you could see people start
to<br>> scoot out of there....they&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; would continue
with<br>> this scenario until somebody had to say &quot;I<br>&gt;<br>>
think&lt;br&gt;&gt; you've had enough...go home and sleep it
off&quot;.<br>> My sister<br>&gt; left. The&lt;br&gt;&gt; ex...well she
made a scene and<br>> was there until the last<br>&gt; person was
gone.&lt;br&gt;&gt; She was<br>> out back drinking shots of Yagermeister
(I<br>&gt; KNOW I didn't<br>> spell&lt;br&gt;&gt; that right). That
stuff is like<br>> Tequila...it'll<br>&gt; will kill ya after a
few&lt;br&gt;&gt; shots.<br>>

t;<br>> Kitty<br>&gt; wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt; So what was the
dysfunctional<br>> part?&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Since<br>><br>>
this was<br>&gt; your stepdaughter, did you have any part in the<br>>
planning of&lt;br&gt;&gt; the<br>&gt;
Kitty&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; ----- Original Message -----<br>>
&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; From: &quot;Jesse Bell&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>>
To:&lt;br&gt;&gt; Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 12:10<br>&gt;<br>>
PM&lt;br&gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [CHAT] Re: Four O'Clocks,<br>>
wedding..&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;
Well,<br>> in my zone the four o'clocks get bigger and bigger<br>>
&quot;tubers&quot;<br>&gt; as&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; they mature. I
have<br>> some that are as big as a sweet<br>&gt; potato....and
they&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>> &gt; get BIG, but are slower to
bloom.&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt; As for the<br>> wedding....you have to know that (A) I come from
a<br>&gt;<br>> very&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; dysfunctional family, (B) my
husband's two ex's<br>> are<br>&gt; dysfunctional and&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
way &quot;out<br>> there&quot;, (c) my stepdaughter and her<br>&gt; new
husband are from<br>> &quot;that&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; generation&quot; as
my husband puts<br>> it...so<br>&gt; half of the wedding guests
were&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>> rather conservative...and
&quot;that<br>&gt; generation&quot; made up<br>> the other&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt; ha<br>&gt;<br>&gt; lf<br>&gt; ...(facial<br>> piercing, tattoos all
over, dressed rather oddly...and&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>> &gt;<br>&gt; when
you walked out back of the reception hall...the smell<br>> of
pot<br>&gt; was&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; THICK let me tell ya). I had to<br>>
make my sister go home<br>&gt; because she had&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
too<br>> much to drink (act surprised) and was hitting<br>&gt; on
my<br>> brother-in-law&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; (who is very married). The
mother of<br>> the<br>&gt; bride (husband's first ex)
had&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>

> not eaten all day, took a<br>&gt; Valium before the wedding and<br>>
proceeded to get&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; totally trashed at<br>&gt; the<br>>
reception (not a pretty sight) and the second ex,&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
who<br>> really<br>&gt; had no business being there but she
invite<br>><br>> d<br>> herself, was&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; hovering<br>&gt;
around trying to mingle<br>> and most of them wanted nothing to
do&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; with<br>> her.&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; BUT...the ceremony itself was<br>> nice.
(deep<br>&gt; breath) So...that's one child&lt;br&gt;&gt; down and<br>>
five more to go. I hope the<br>&gt; others wait
awhile.&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; Kitty
wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; Well, I have<br>> seen<br>&gt; some JB holes
on a few of the leaves, but I don't<br>> see&lt;br&gt;&gt;
any&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; carcasses. They are<br>> only just now
beginning to bloom, so maybe<br>&gt;<br>>
their&lt;br&gt;lure&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; will be stronger as the
season<br>> progresses.&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
Re&gt; That<br>> was a LOT of work, let me tell ya&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
Yes, please<br>&gt;<br>> do!&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
Kitty&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; ----- Original Message
-----<br>> &lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; From: &quot;Jesse
Bell&quot;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>> &gt; To:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; Sent:
Thursday, July 08, 2004<br>&gt; 10:30<br>> AM&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
Subject: [CHAT] Re: self-sowers/still catching<br>>
up..&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt;<br>> &gt; Still trying to catch up on e-mails. I didn't
read<br>&gt; them for<br>> 4-5 days&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; because of
my daughter's wedding. That<br>> was a<br>&gt; LOT of work, let me
tell&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; ya.<br>> Anyway...yes Kitty...I sent
you<br>&gt; some Four O'Clock<br>>
seeds..thinking&lt;br&gt;it&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; would help with<br>>
the<br>&gt; Japanese Beetle problem you were having. Did<br>>

lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; at all?<br>&gt; Or is that an<br>> old wive's
tale?&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Kitty<br>&gt;<br>>
wrote:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; You know, I think it was Jesse.<br>>
Thanks!&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; Kitty&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;<br>> ----- Original Message ----- &lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>>
From:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; To:&lt;<br>><br>> br&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt; Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 1:02 PM&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>> &gt; &gt;
Subject: Re:<br>&gt; Re: [CHAT] self<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>>
-sowers&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>> &gt; &gt; &gt; Probably Jesse or moi Kitty -
we<br>&gt; both have them<br>> all over the place!&lt;br&gt;&gt;
Love&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 'em<br>> though!<br>&gt; Anyone who
needs seeds holler - I have tons of<br>> them.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt;<br>> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; Pam Evans&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>> Kemp, TX&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; zone 8A&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>> &gt;<br>&gt; -----
Original Message -----&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>> From:
Kitty&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Sent:<br>&gt; 7/4/2004 12:46:29<br>>
PM&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; To:
gardenchat@hort.net&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>> &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; Subject:
Re: [CHAT] self-sowers&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>> &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Well, maybe it<br>&gt;<br>> was Pam, I know she
grows 4 O'Clocks. Whomever -&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>>
thanks!&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;<br>> &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;<br>> too bad about the sting, I hate<br>&gt; losing a day.
Take care<br>> of&lt;br&gt;yourself.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>> &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>> &gt; &gt; &gt;
Kitty&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>> &gt; &gt;

&gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>> &gt;<br>&gt; -----
Original Message ----- &lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; From:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>> &gt;<br>&gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; To:&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>> &gt; &gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Sent: Sunday, July 04,<br>>
2004<br>&gt; 12:07 PM&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt;<br>> &gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: Re: [CHAT]
self-sowers&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>> &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>> &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
&<br>><br>> gt<br>> ; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>> &gt; In a<br>&gt; message dated 7/4/2004
11:41:05 AM Central Standard<br>> Time,&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>> &gt; &gt; kmrsy@comcast.net
writes:&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; Balsam, yeah, I need<br>> to grow that next
year.&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>> &gt; &gt;
&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>> &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I did not send you the Mirabilis jalapa<br>&gt;<br>>
seeds, but I surely do&lt;br&gt;&gt; have&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>>
a&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; lot&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>> &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; of&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt;<br>> &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Balsam. If
you want seeds<br>> remind me<br>&gt; later in the summer, and
I&lt;br&gt;can&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>> &gt; &gt; send&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>> &gt;<br>&gt; you&lt;br&gt;&gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>> &gt; &gt; &gt; some. There's
a weather alert on TV right<br>&gt; now. We<br>> are
expecting&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; strong&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>>
&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; straight<br>&gt; line
winds<br>> and sever thunder storms this afternoon,
but&lt;br&gt;I&lt;br&gt;&gt;<br>> &gt; &gt;<br>&

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