Re: hibs as houseplants

> Is there really any such thing as a houseplant?
I referred to houseplant in the general merchandising sense of the word,
David.  And since I don't 'do' 'houseplants', my answer is no.

> Some Cordylines, particulary the ones with darker colored leaves, prefer
shade.
My first one, C. baueri has darkred-purple sword-like leaves and has always
enjoyed the sun. The new has one thinner (as in thickness), wider,
multi-colored leaves, mainly dark purple with a hot-pink splash.  I think
it's the thickness of the leaves that may be the problem.  If I can find the
time, I guess I'd better move it.  Unfortunately I had made it a focal
point.

Congrats on the Russian order and the blooming Plumeria.

Kitty
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Franzman" <dfranzma@pacbell.net>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 5:17 PM
Subject: [CHAT] hibs as houseplants


> Hi Kitty
>
> Is there really any such thing as a houseplant?  With few exceptions, like
> mold, I think that most "houseplants" are just tropical understory plants
> that are nicely suited for inside the house because of their low light
> requirements.  The only difference with Hibiscus (particularly my hybrids
> which have a lower light requirement than the garden variety) require more
> light in order to bloom.   I believe the number is 3,000-6,000 lumins is
> needed.  However, without that light they will continue to grow and remain
> nice and green.
>
> Millions of folks keep Hibiscus as an indoor plant and millions keep them
as
> indoor/outdoor plants.  I fall into both catagories.  I like to move my
> plants outside because I have them in nice pots and for the deck or patio
or
> even distributed throughout the garden they provide great color through
most
> of the year...depending on your growing season.  It's worth it for me to
> move them twice a year.  But since they don't like to be moved around you
do
> want to harden them off before placing them in their winter/summer
quarters.
>
> As we speak/write I am preparing a very large order for Moscow, Russia!
Now
> they have a very short growing season but the folks back there enjoy the
> warm colors and exotic feel.  They do put a smile on your face and who can
> ask for anything more.
>
> I have to add, speaking of tropicals, that I have a four year old Plumeria
> that is about to bloom again.  Wonderful plant and I think the best smell
of
> any flower.
>
> Some Cordylines, particulary the ones with darker colored leaves, prefer
> shade.  I have a beautiful red wine colored one that is shaded by my
bananas
> and it has done very well.
>
> David
> http://www.atouchofthetropics.net
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chapel Ridge Wal Mart National Hearing Center"
> <4042N15@nationalhearing.com>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 8:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Hib Help? Dave..are you there?
>
>
> > Years ago I noticed as people lugged all their houseplants out on their
> > porch or front yards and wondered if they really did do better outside
in
> > summer.  Then I read an article in (probably) Horticulture - one of
those
> > True/False Myth Debunkers.  It said that indoor plants don't need to go
> > outdoors at all, they are fine left where they are and often better off
> > left
> > alone for the reasons David described.  But I don't really think of his
> > Hibs
> > as houseplants; they are outdoor plants that are simply wintering over
in
> > the house, so, yes, they do want to get out in the summer - but eased
into
> > the change as he mentioned.
> >
> > I overwinter some plants and cuttings in the garage and in the house.
Few
> > if any are actually houseplants.  Many are tenders for my tender bed and
> > They are thrilled to get outside again when the time comes, but I do it
> > slowly and all seems to be going well.  Last fall's Osteospermum
cuttings
> > are all blooming now, as are the  Ppl Ftn Grasses.  The Plumbago
cuttings
> > are full of buds.  The original Acalypha plant that pouted its way
through
> > winter is putting on new growth while the cuttings I took from it last
> > fall
> > are happy as clams.  My 3 yr Cordyline looks terrific, but the new one I
> > bought this winter doesn't appear to like sun, the leaves keep burning.
I
> > thought they all liked sun.
> >
> > Kitty
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "David Franzman" <dfranzma@pacbell.net>
> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 10:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Hib Help? Dave..are you there?
> >
> >
> >> Hi Pam and everyone
> >>
> >> Hibs really don't like their environments changed.  When you bring one
in
> >> for the winter you have really changed their home and they will drop
> > yellow
> >> leaves.  Same thing for when it's time to go out again.  That's why so
> > many
> >> people don't understand why their hibs did so well all winter and then
> > chose
> >> to go south on them in the spring when they would have thought that
they
> >> should do better.  You really have to harden your plants off before
> > bringing
> >> them in or taking them back out.  This will avoid the leaf loss issue.
> >>
> >> For plants that are inside and stay that way they don't go through that
> >> change thing.  Was that understandable or too wordy?
> >>
> >> David
> >> http://www.atouchofthetropics.net
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Pam Evans" <gardenqueen@gmail.com>
> >> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 7:20 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Hib Help? Dave..are you there?
> >>
> >>
> >> > Barb - I have to drag mine in the house when it gets close to
> >> > freezing, but it doesn't happen all that often.  They seem to do
fine,
> >> > but they drop some leaves if they have to be inside more than 48
> >> > hours.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 7/11/05, Barbara Tandy <sundrops@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> >> Thanks, Dave  -- my house is quite light with a strong western and
> >> >> good
> >> >> southern exposure (a bit much at this time of year though!), one
> >> >> reason
> > I
> >> >> thought a Hib might be a good companion for the winter when I tend
to
> > get
> >> >> depressed.  The yellow or yellow/pink ones should fit the bill so I
> > will
> >> >> be
> >> >> in touch later.  I hadn't been concerned at all about growing it,
till
> > I
> >> >> started reading people's questions here and thought maybe they were
> > more
> >> >> touchy or "difficult" than I had thought.
> >> >> --Barb, Grass Valley, CA
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "David Franzman" <dfranzma@pacbell.net>
> >> >> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >> >> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 5:52 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Hib Help? Dave..are you there?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Hey Barb
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well when they come from me and get to you they are filled with
> >> >> > buds.
> >> >> > After that you need to provide it with adequate light in your
house
> > to
> >> >> > have it bloom through the winter.  It's usually a light thing for
> >> >> > indoor
> >> >> > plants.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > David
> >> >> > http://www.atouchofthetropics.net
> >> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > From: "Barbara Tandy" <sundrops@earthlink.net>
> >> >> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >> >> > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 10:45 AM
> >> >> > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Hib Help? Dave..are you there?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Yes I agree, and I haven't even ordered a Hib yet -- hope to this
> > fall
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> get me thru the winter, but if it doesn't bloom..... !!!!
> >> >> >> --Barb, Grass Valley CA
> >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >> From: "Cathy Carpenter" <cathy.c@insightbb.com>
> >> >> >> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >> >> >> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 10:34 AM
> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Hib Help? Dave..are you there?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> Dave, you ought to write "Hibiscus for Dummies" for all us
> >> >> >>> clueless
> >> >> >>> hibiscus lovers ... put me down for a copy!
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Cathy, west central IL, z5b
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>> Hey Pam
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> On any branch you want to keep you can count up three leaf
nodes
> >> >> >>>>> and
> >> >> >>>>> cut just above the leaf node or anywhere above that.  Shape it
> > the
> >> >> >>>>> way you want it but always cut at a bias and never through the
> >> >> >>>>> node.
> >> >> >>>>> Hibiscus bloom on new growth so the more you prune the more
> >> >> >>>>> branches
> >> >> >>>>> you ultimately have meaning the more flowers you will  get.
But
> >> >> >>>>> remember that when you cut a branch you won't see  flowers on
> > that
> >> >> >>>>> branch for a couple of months so if you bring your  plants in
> >> >> >>>>> for
> >> >> >>>>> the
> >> >> >>>>> winter that's a good time to cut. Or you can cut  one branch
at
> >> >> >>>>> a
> >> >> >>>>> time
> >> >> >>>>> and allow the others to continue to bloom.   Once the new
> > branches
> >> >> >>>>> are in and budding cut another branch.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> Pam, what are the numbers on the Maxi you are using?  They
have
> >> >> >>>>> a
> >> >> >>>>> few
> >> >> >>>>> formulations.  That stuff is popular in our area.  What are
the
> >> >> >>>>> micro-nutrients?  Does it list them?
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> David
> >> >> >>>>> http://www.atouchofthetropics.net
> >> >> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Evans"
> >> >> >>>>> <gardenqueen@gmail.com>
> >> >> >>>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >> >> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 7:46 PM
> >> >> >>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Hib Help? Dave..are you there?
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> David - I have been giving mine greensand and kelp
(Maxicrop).
> >> >> >>>>>> Nothing stronger and it seems to like it very much.  Would be
> >> >> >>>>>> interested to hear the pruning tips though, mine's getting a
> >> >> >>>>>> tad
> >> >> >>>>>> leggy.
> >> >> >>>>>> TIA
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> On 7/10/05, David Franzman <dfranzma@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> Hi Ceres
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> That sounds like tip die-off.  When you lose your leaves
from
> >> >> >>>>>>> the
> >> >> >>>>>>> top down
> >> >> >>>>>>> look at the wood.  Is it discolored or spongy?  It's a
fungus
> >> >> >>>>>>> and
> >> >> >>>>>>> you need
> >> >> >>>>>>> to cut that off low enough until you get green wood.  I get
> > that
> >> >> >>>>>>> in
> >> >> >>>>>>> the
> >> >> >>>>>>> winter when we have the majority of the rain and it's cool.
> > For
> >> >> >>>>>>> me
> >> >> >>>>>>> it's the
> >> >> >>>>>>> same fungus as what you might find in a
> > refrigerator...botritis.
> >> >> >>>>>>> (sp) The
> >> >> >>>>>>> sooner you cut that off and can keep the newly cut ends from
> >> >> >>>>>>> staying wet the
> >> >> >>>>>>> better off you will be.  It can eventually kill off your
> >> >> >>>>>>> plant.
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> David
> >> >> >>>>>>> http://www.atouchofthetropics.net
> >> >> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >>>>>>> From: <Cersgarden@aol.com>
> >> >> >>>>>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >> >> >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 5:41 PM
> >> >> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Hib Help? Dave..are you there?
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> > In a message dated 7/10/05 5:08:09 PM,
dfranzma@pacbell.net
> >> >> >>>>>>> writes:
> >> >> >>>>>>> >
> >> >> >>>>>>> > <<   We'll talk about pruning sometime in the near future
as
> >> >> >>>>>>> that is
> >> >> >>>>>>> >
> >> >> >>>>>>> > important to making more branches which will give you more
> >> >> >>>>>>> flowers. > Also,
> >> >> >>>>>>> >
> >> >> >>>>>>> > we need to talk about what to do so that you don't loose
> >> >> >>>>>>> > your
> >> >> >>>>>>> leaves
> >> >> >>>>>>> > during
> >> >> >>>>>>> >
> >> >> >>>>>>> > the change of seasons.  What are you feeding with and how
> > much
> >> >> >>>>>>> sun is > it
> >> >> >>>>>>> >
> >> >> >>>>>>> > getting? >>
> >> >> >>>>>>> >
> >> >> >>>>>>> > David, I need this infor also.  I lost my leaves on my H
std
> >> >> >>>>>>> this > spring
> >> >> >>>>>>> > after taking it outdoors and now I have foliage on the
trunk
> >> >> >>>>>>> and new > at
> >> >> >>>>>>> > the soil
> >> >> >>>>>>> > line but none on the top branches.  Guess I need to cut
the
> >> >> >>>>>>> top off?
> >> >> >>>>>>> >    Ceres
> >> >> >>>>>>> >
> >> >> >>>>>>> >
> >> >>
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> >> >> >>>>>> Pam Evans
> >> >> >>>>>> Kemp TX
> >> >> >>>>>> zone 8A
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