Re: Emily

Of course, there is a lot of s__t taught in our school systems that  
'taint necessarily so!

Cathy, west central IL, z5b

On Jul 13, 2005, at 9:13 AM, james singer wrote:

> If people want to believe that if you put a horse hair in a jar of  
> water, it will turn into a snake, that's okay with me; when they  
> start dictating to the education system that that's what will be  
> taught, that's an entirely different matter.
>
> On Jul 13, 2005, at 9:47 AM, Zemuly Sanders wrote:
>
>
>> I guess I equate that kind of faith with using the locally common  
>> names of plants.  It might work just fine in a small area, but  
>> when dealing on a universal level one needs to communicate in a  
>> 'language' thats common for everyone -- in this instance good  
>> science.
>> zem
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Franzman"  
>> <dfranzma@pacbell.net>
>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:01 AM
>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Emily
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi Zem
>>>
>>> Well their bad science isn't science it's faith.  Faith is an  
>>> incredibly strong human feeling who's bonds are almost  
>>> unbreakable regardless of the facts before them.  Hard to knock  
>>> that kind of faith.  I wish we had it in government and other  
>>> institutions again but faith with out questions is blind.
>>>
>>> I realize that after I wrote the 40% remark that I had alienated  
>>> almost half the group.  Not trying to do that...I hope ya'll know.
>>>
>>> David
>>> http://www.atouchofthetropics.net
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zemuly Sanders"  
>>> <zsanders@midsouth.rr.com>
>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 7:03 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Emily
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Golly, David, I didn't realize you had met the people of this  
>>>> county!
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I am astounded to think people believe such bad  
>>>> science.  The terrifying part is so many who believe this are  
>>>> home schooling their children!
>>>> zem
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Franzman"  
>>>> <dfranzma@pacbell.net>
>>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 7:58 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Emily
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hey Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting and goes along with my thoughts.  One word on what  
>>>>> you wrote about evolution:  National Geographic had an  
>>>>> interesting article on evolution and Darwin's journeys.  The  
>>>>> author lamented that the title of that breakthrough scientific  
>>>>> work was labeled "The Theory of Evolution." This gave the  
>>>>> naysayers wiggle room  to denigrate it as merely a  
>>>>> theory...meaning just an idea rather than a firm scientific  
>>>>> basis for the study of life science.  Also, and I think I wrote  
>>>>> about this a few months ago, most shocking of all was that more  
>>>>> than 40% of the American people do not buy the theory.  A  
>>>>> significant number believe that the age of the earth/universe  
>>>>> can be counted in thousands not billions of years.
>>>>>
>>>>> David
>>>>> http://www.atouchofthetropics.net
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "james singer"  
>>>>> <islandjim1@verizon.net>
>>>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 4:52 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Emily
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> This may sound like I'm running for office, David, but I think  
>>>>>> it's both. In the short term, I think it's the cyclical crap  
>>>>>> shoot that weather has always seemed to be--the stuff of the  
>>>>>> Farmer's Almanac. But I think this is playing out on top of  
>>>>>> significant long-term change. A key factor in What's-His-Name  
>>>>>> Grey's, the hurricane guru at University of Colorado,  
>>>>>> prognostications is El Nino--and the occurrence, recurrence of  
>>>>>> El Nino seems to be influenced by the continual warming of the  
>>>>>> earth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The scary part is that these effects are cumulative. The worst  
>>>>>> of what you see today will be the best you can hope for  
>>>>>> tomorrow. It took a couple of hundred years of reckless fossil- 
>>>>>> fuel emissions to get us here--to the front edge of reaping  
>>>>>> our harvest; it will surely take that long a period of  
>>>>>> constrained stewardship to get us back to a less hazardous  
>>>>>> environment, or even to one where we can maintain an  
>>>>>> environmental status quo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David, the problem with "theories" is a rhetorical one. Two  
>>>>>> come to mind--evolution and global warming. They are theories  
>>>>>> because they have not been definitively proven beyond all  
>>>>>> doubt. Most intelligent people understand that caveat; most  
>>>>>> intelligent people also believe the theories are true or very  
>>>>>> close to true. The only significant deniers are the Kansas  
>>>>>> state school board and the current administration in Washington.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 12, 2005, at 6:58 PM, David Franzman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So Jim I think you and I agree about this greenhouse effect  
>>>>>>> thing. Everybody expects instant changes and when we have one  
>>>>>>> hot period some are claiming that it's because of the gh  
>>>>>>> effect.  You and I both know it takes more than just one  
>>>>>>> season to prove or disprove a theory. However, I wanted to  
>>>>>>> ask you about last year and this years hurricanes. We're off  
>>>>>>> to the fastest start since recorded history. Last year was a  
>>>>>>> huge year with a friend of mine in Gainesville being whacked  
>>>>>>> three times. Weather events are cyclical but would you  
>>>>>>> consider the current trend an anomoly or a direct result of  
>>>>>>> climatic change?  Just curious if your opinion has been  
>>>>>>> altered over the last year or so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>> http://www.atouchofthetropics.net
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "james singer"  
>>>>>>> <islandjim1@verizon.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Garden Chat" <gardenchat@hort.net>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 7:19 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: [CHAT] Emily
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now it looks like Emily is heading for the Gulf. We'll know  
>>>>>>>> better on Sunday when it batters Cuba.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Island Jim
>>>>>>>> Southwest Florida
>>>>>>>> 27.0 N, 82.4 W
>>>>>>>> Hardiness Zone 10
>>>>>>>> Heat Zone 10
>>>>>>>> Minimum 30 F [-1 C]
>>>>>>>> Maximum 100 F [38 C]
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>>>>>> Island Jim
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