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Re: This makes me ill...

Kitty: I absolutely agree with you...it's just too bad that two nutcases
as it may be have to drag so many well intended people down with them. I
am sure, that in it's purest intentions, PETA tries to do the right
thing. I've not always agreed with their publicity stunts or political
tactics, but on the other hand, look at how few cosmetic companies or
shampoo manufacturers do animal testing anymore, so obviously at least
part of their message has gotten through to the right people.

Hills, IA  zone 5

Work for the Lord:  the pay isn't much but the retirement is out of this world!

 --- On Sun 07/24, kmrsy < kmrsy@netzero.net > wrote:
From: kmrsy [mailto: kmrsy@netzero.net]
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:08:29 -0500
Subject: Re: [CHAT] This makes me ill...

Melody,<br>I am not doubting the NC story, especially after the research
you did.<br>However, in large organizations there always zealots,
nutcases, etc. that do<br>not necessarily conform to the ideals of the
org. Are all Pro-Lifers clinic<br>bombers? or approve of such tactics?
Are all Wal-Mart employees cat<br>killers?<br><br>Kitty<br>neIN,
Z5<br>----- Original Message ----- <br>From: "Melody "
<mhobertm@excite.com><br>To: <gardenchat@hort.net><br>Sent: Saturday,
July 23, 2005 8:32 PM<br>Subject: Re: [CHAT] This makes me
ill...<br><br><br>> Jim: First of all, thanks for contacting PETA
themselves and the<br>> newspaper for us. The website that I originally
saw this article on<br>> (This Is True) is not an anti-PETA website...it
is a compendium of<br>> newstories from all over the country and the
owner of the site does a<br>> usually very reliable job of tracking down
sources for his stories. I've<br>> checked out many of the stories he
reports on there and usually

found<br>> that what he has reported is true (thus the name of the
website, LOL!)<br>> Anyway, I also went to the newspapers archives and
read all 19 of the<br>> stories that exist in connection with this
story. It is pretty involved<br>> but also quite apparent that these 2
PETA employees were caught<br>> redhanded by the police in the act of
dumping these dead animals, as<br>> well as being in possession of
controlled substances that are normally<br>> used by vets. to sedate and
euthanize animals and are obtainable and<br>> legally usable only by
vets; neither of these 2 persons hold vet.<br>> licenses.<br>><br>>
Also, apparently a necropsy on at least one of the dogs done by the<br>>
state medical examiner determined that the dog was completely
healthy<br>> before it died. It is yet to be determined if the drugs
found in the<br>> possession of these two persons are in that dead
animals system and thus<br>> caused its death. Also, this was not an
isolated event...there had

been<br>> apparently several instances of dead animals being dumped in
this town<br>> over the previous month. This would account for why they
have been<br>> charged with 62 counts of felony animal abuse. Since the
arrest of the 2<br>> PETA employees in mid-June, there have been no
further dumpings of dead<br>> animals. They are apparently set to go to
trial anytime now and of<br>> course, PETA administrators maintain they
knew nothing of these 2<br>> employees' activities.<br>><br>><br>><br>>
Melody<br>> Hills, IA zone 5<br>><br>> Work for the Lord: the pay isn't
much but the retirement is out of this<br>world!<br>><br>> --- On Sat
07/23, james singer < islandjim1@verizon.net > wrote:<br>> From: james
singer [mailto: islandjim1@verizon.net]<br>> To:
gardenchat@hort.net<br>> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:31:41 -0400<br>>
Subject: Re: [CHAT] This makes me ill...<br>><br>> It is disturbing.
Whether it's true or not.<br><br>I don't particularly<br>> care for
PETA--&quot;Why do

they pick on rich women who <br>wear furs?<br>> Because it's safer than
picking on burley guys who wear <br>leather and<br>> ride
Harleys&quot;.<br><br>But I believe jerk-town Southern newspapers<br>>
even less.<br><br>And I believe anti-PETA web sites to about the
same<br>> degree that I <br>believed the Swift Boat sleaze balls. So I
sent them<br>> both [PETA and the <br>Roanoke-Chowan News-Herald)
e-mails, quoting each<br>> other, and asking for <br>comments. If it's
true or what. I'll likely<br>> never hear from either of <br>them. Not
holding my breath,<br>> anyway.<br><br>Also, it's worth noting that
there is only one PETA site.<br>> There are at <br>least three site
peddling anti-PETA invective. So,<br>> right or wrong, PETA <br>must
worry the hell out of a lot vested animal<br>> slaughtering
interests.<br><br><br>On Jul 23, 2005, at 12:37 PM, A A<br>> HODGES
wrote:<br><br>&gt; Melody, I can't even comment. This is truly<br>>
appalling<br>><br>> and

vile.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Andrea H<br>&gt; Beaufort,<br>>
SC<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; [Original Message]<br>&gt;&gt; From:<br>>
Melody &lt;mhobertm@excite.com&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; To:<br>>
&lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Date: 7/23/2005 11:29:15<br>>
AM<br>&gt;&gt; Subject: [CHAT] This makes me<br>>
ill...<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; I wondered how many of our animal
lovers<br>> on this list had seen this<br>&gt; article. It about made me
ill when I<br>> read it.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>>
&quot;ETHICAL&quot; DEFINED: After more than 100 dead dogs were
dumped<br>> in a <br>&gt;&gt; trash<br>&gt;&gt; dumpster over four
weeks, police in<br>> Ahoskie, N.C., kept an eye on the<br>&gt;&gt;
trash receptacle behind a<br>> supermarket. Sure enough, a van drove up
and<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>> officers watched the occupants throw in
heavy plastic bags.<br>> They<br>&gt;&gt; detained the two people in the
van and found 18

dead<br>> dogs in plastic<br>&gt;&gt; bags in the dumpster,
including<br>><br>> puppies; 13 more dead dogs were still <br>&gt;&gt;
in<br>&gt;&gt; the<br>> van. Police say the van is registered to the
headquarters of<br>> <br>&gt;&gt; People<br>&gt;&gt; for the Ethical
Treatment of Animals,<br>> and the two
occupants,<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Andrew B. Cook, 24, and<br>> Adria
Joy Hinkle, 27, identified themselves as<br>&gt;&gt; PETA<br>>
employees. An autopsy performed on one of the dogs found it<br>>
was<br>&gt;&gt; healthy before it was killed. Police say PETA has
been<br>> picking up the<br>&gt;&gt; animals -- alive -- from North
Carolina<br>> animal shelters, promising to<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; find
them good<br>> homes. Cook and Hinkle have been charged with 62
felony<br>&gt;&gt;<br>> counts of animal cruelty. In response to the
arrests PETA<br>> President<br>&gt;&gt; Ingrid Newkirk said it's against
the group's<br>> policy for employees to<br>&gt;&gt; dump animals in

the trash, but<br>> &quot;that for some animals in
North<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Carolina,<br>> there is no kinder option
than euthanasia.&quot;<br>><br>> (Roanoke-Chowan<br>&gt;
News-Herald)<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>> THE MORE I LEARN
ABOUT PETA, the less I think of them. The story of<br>> <br>&gt;&gt;
them<br>&gt;&gt; killing animals isn't even unusual.<br>> According to
PETA's own filings, <br>&gt;&gt; in<br>&gt;&gt; 2004 PETA<br>> *killed*
86.3 percent of the animals entrusted to its care <br>&gt;&gt;<br>>
--<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; a number that's rising, not falling.<br>>
Meanwhile, the SPCA in PETA's <br>&gt;&gt; home<br>&gt;&gt; town<br>>
(Norfolk, Va.) was able to find loving homes for 73 percent of<br>>
<br>&gt;&gt; the<br>&gt;&gt; animals put in its care. A shortage of<br>>
funds? Nope: last year PETA <br>&gt;&gt; took<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;
in<br>> $29 million in tax-exempt donations. It simply has other<br>>
priorities<br>&gt;&gt; for the funds,

like funding terrorism (yes,<br>> really). But don't take my<br>&gt;&gt;
word for it: I got my figures<br>>


--and they have copies of<br>><br>> PETA's state and federal filings to
back it<br>&gt;&gt;<br>> up.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; The bottom line: if
you donate money to PETA<br>> because you think they <br>&gt;&gt;
care<br>&gt;&gt; for and about<br>> animals, you need to think some
more. PETA literally <br>&gt;&gt;<br>> yells<br>&gt;&gt; and screams
about how others &quot;kill animals&quot;<br>> but THIS is how
they<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; operate? Pathetic. And you<br>> know what I
wonder? PETA's *official* count<br>&gt;&gt; of animals they<br>> kill is
86.3 percent. But if they're going around<br>&gt;&gt; picking up<br>>
animals, killing them while they drive around and not
even<br>&gt;&gt;<br>> giving them a CHANCE<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; to be
adopted, and

then<br>> destroying the evidence by dumping the bodies
<br>&gt;&gt;<br>> in<br>&gt;&gt; the trash, are THOSE deaths being
reported? My guess: no.<br>> While 86.3<br>&gt;&gt; percent is awful,
the actual number is probably<br>> much, MUCH higher.
How<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; DARE they lecture ANYONE<br>> about
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