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Re: This makes me ill...

  • To: gardenchat@hort.net
  • Subject: Re: [CHAT] This makes me ill...
  • From: "Chapel Ridge Wal Mart National Hearing Center" 4042N15@nationalhearing.com
  • Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:43:35 -0600
  • References: <32329275.1122540490535.JavaMail.root@sniper3>

Animal testing is a critical issue IMO.  Not just for the animals themselves
but for the bad science that can come of it because human biological systems
are not the same as those of animals.  There are more accurate computer
models today that can give better results.  PETA has helped with reducing
animal testing, but they are all over the board and harbor more than a few
nutcases.  I would prefer to support AAVS or NAVS, American and National
Anti-Vivisection Societies.  These orgs concentrate their efforts
specifically on ending animal testing where possible and don't pull the
antics that some PETA members do.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Melody " <mhobertm@excite.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 2:46 AM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] This makes me ill...

> Kitty: I absolutely agree with you...it's just too bad that two nutcases
> as it may be have to drag so many well intended people down with them. I
> am sure, that in it's purest intentions, PETA tries to do the right
> thing. I've not always agreed with their publicity stunts or political
> tactics, but on the other hand, look at how few cosmetic companies or
> shampoo manufacturers do animal testing anymore, so obviously at least
> part of their message has gotten through to the right people.
> Melody
> Hills, IA  zone 5
> Work for the Lord:  the pay isn't much but the retirement is out of this
>  --- On Sun 07/24, kmrsy < kmrsy@netzero.net > wrote:
> From: kmrsy [mailto: kmrsy@netzero.net]
> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:08:29 -0500
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] This makes me ill...
> Melody,<br>I am not doubting the NC story, especially after the research
> you did.<br>However, in large organizations there always zealots,
> nutcases, etc. that do<br>not necessarily conform to the ideals of the
> org. Are all Pro-Lifers clinic<br>bombers? or approve of such tactics?
> Are all Wal-Mart employees cat<br>killers?<br><br>Kitty<br>neIN,
> Z5<br>----- Original Message ----- <br>From: "Melody "
> <mhobertm@excite.com><br>To: <gardenchat@hort.net><br>Sent: Saturday,
> July 23, 2005 8:32 PM<br>Subject: Re: [CHAT] This makes me
> ill...<br><br><br>> Jim: First of all, thanks for contacting PETA
> themselves and the<br>> newspaper for us. The website that I originally
> saw this article on<br>> (This Is True) is not an anti-PETA website...it
> is a compendium of<br>> newstories from all over the country and the
> owner of the site does a<br>> usually very reliable job of tracking down
> sources for his stories. I've<br>> checked out many of the stories he
> reports on there and usually
> found<br>> that what he has reported is true (thus the name of the
> website, LOL!)<br>> Anyway, I also went to the newspapers archives and
> read all 19 of the<br>> stories that exist in connection with this
> story. It is pretty involved<br>> but also quite apparent that these 2
> PETA employees were caught<br>> redhanded by the police in the act of
> dumping these dead animals, as<br>> well as being in possession of
> controlled substances that are normally<br>> used by vets. to sedate and
> euthanize animals and are obtainable and<br>> legally usable only by
> vets; neither of these 2 persons hold vet.<br>> licenses.<br>><br>>
> Also, apparently a necropsy on at least one of the dogs done by the<br>>
> state medical examiner determined that the dog was completely
> healthy<br>> before it died. It is yet to be determined if the drugs
> found in the<br>> possession of these two persons are in that dead
> animals system and thus<br>> caused its death. Also, this was not an
> isolated event...there had
> been<br>> apparently several instances of dead animals being dumped in
> this town<br>> over the previous month. This would account for why they
> have been<br>> charged with 62 counts of felony animal abuse. Since the
> arrest of the 2<br>> PETA employees in mid-June, there have been no
> further dumpings of dead<br>> animals. They are apparently set to go to
> trial anytime now and of<br>> course, PETA administrators maintain they
> knew nothing of these 2<br>> employees' activities.<br>><br>><br>><br>>
> Melody<br>> Hills, IA zone 5<br>><br>> Work for the Lord: the pay isn't
> much but the retirement is out of this<br>world!<br>><br>> --- On Sat
> 07/23, james singer < islandjim1@verizon.net > wrote:<br>> From: james
> singer [mailto: islandjim1@verizon.net]<br>> To:
> gardenchat@hort.net<br>> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:31:41 -0400<br>>
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] This makes me ill...<br>><br>> It is disturbing.
> Whether it's true or not.<br><br>I don't particularly<br>> care for
> PETA--&quot;Why do
> they pick on rich women who <br>wear furs?<br>> Because it's safer than
> picking on burley guys who wear <br>leather and<br>> ride
> Harleys&quot;.<br><br>But I believe jerk-town Southern newspapers<br>>
> even less.<br><br>And I believe anti-PETA web sites to about the
> same<br>> degree that I <br>believed the Swift Boat sleaze balls. So I
> sent them<br>> both [PETA and the <br>Roanoke-Chowan News-Herald)
> e-mails, quoting each<br>> other, and asking for <br>comments. If it's
> true or what. I'll likely<br>> never hear from either of <br>them. Not
> holding my breath,<br>> anyway.<br><br>Also, it's worth noting that
> there is only one PETA site.<br>> There are at <br>least three site
> peddling anti-PETA invective. So,<br>> right or wrong, PETA <br>must
> worry the hell out of a lot vested animal<br>> slaughtering
> interests.<br><br><br>On Jul 23, 2005, at 12:37 PM, A A<br>> HODGES
> wrote:<br><br>&gt; Melody, I can't even comment. This is truly<br>>
> appalling<br>><br>> and
> vile.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Andrea H<br>&gt; Beaufort,<br>>
> SC<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; [Original Message]<br>&gt;&gt; From:<br>>
> Melody &lt;mhobertm@excite.com&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; To:<br>>
> &lt;gardenchat@hort.net&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Date: 7/23/2005 11:29:15<br>>
> AM<br>&gt;&gt; Subject: [CHAT] This makes me<br>>
> ill...<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; I wondered how many of our animal
> lovers<br>> on this list had seen this<br>&gt; article. It about made me
> ill when I<br>> read it.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>>
> Melody<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>>
> &quot;ETHICAL&quot; DEFINED: After more than 100 dead dogs were
> dumped<br>> in a <br>&gt;&gt; trash<br>&gt;&gt; dumpster over four
> weeks, police in<br>> Ahoskie, N.C., kept an eye on the<br>&gt;&gt;
> trash receptacle behind a<br>> supermarket. Sure enough, a van drove up
> and<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>> officers watched the occupants throw in
> heavy plastic bags.<br>> They<br>&gt;&gt; detained the two people in the
> van and found 18
> dead<br>> dogs in plastic<br>&gt;&gt; bags in the dumpster,
> including<br>><br>> puppies; 13 more dead dogs were still <br>&gt;&gt;
> in<br>&gt;&gt; the<br>> van. Police say the van is registered to the
> headquarters of<br>> <br>&gt;&gt; People<br>&gt;&gt; for the Ethical
> Treatment of Animals,<br>> and the two
> occupants,<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Andrew B. Cook, 24, and<br>> Adria
> Joy Hinkle, 27, identified themselves as<br>&gt;&gt; PETA<br>>
> employees. An autopsy performed on one of the dogs found it<br>>
> was<br>&gt;&gt; healthy before it was killed. Police say PETA has
> been<br>> picking up the<br>&gt;&gt; animals -- alive -- from North
> Carolina<br>> animal shelters, promising to<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; find
> them good<br>> homes. Cook and Hinkle have been charged with 62
> felony<br>&gt;&gt;<br>> counts of animal cruelty. In response to the
> arrests PETA<br>> President<br>&gt;&gt; Ingrid Newkirk said it's against
> the group's<br>> policy for employees to<br>&gt;&gt; dump animals in
> the trash, but<br>> &quot;that for some animals in
> North<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Carolina,<br>> there is no kinder option
> than euthanasia.&quot;<br>><br>> (Roanoke-Chowan<br>&gt;
> News-Herald)<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>> THE MORE I LEARN
> ABOUT PETA, the less I think of them. The story of<br>> <br>&gt;&gt;
> them<br>&gt;&gt; killing animals isn't even unusual.<br>> According to
> PETA's own filings, <br>&gt;&gt; in<br>&gt;&gt; 2004 PETA<br>> *killed*
> 86.3 percent of the animals entrusted to its care <br>&gt;&gt;<br>>
> --<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; a number that's rising, not falling.<br>>
> Meanwhile, the SPCA in PETA's <br>&gt;&gt; home<br>&gt;&gt; town<br>>
> (Norfolk, Va.) was able to find loving homes for 73 percent of<br>>
> <br>&gt;&gt; the<br>&gt;&gt; animals put in its care. A shortage of<br>>
> funds? Nope: last year PETA <br>&gt;&gt; took<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;
> in<br>> $29 million in tax-exempt donations. It simply has other<br>>
> priorities<br>&gt;&gt; for the funds,
> like funding terrorism (yes,<br>> really). But don't take my<br>&gt;&gt;
> word for it: I got my figures<br>>
> from<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>><br>>
>     http://www.PETAkillsAnimals.com<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>><br>>
> --and they have copies of<br>><br>> PETA's state and federal filings to
> back it<br>&gt;&gt;<br>> up.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; The bottom line: if
> you donate money to PETA<br>> because you think they <br>&gt;&gt;
> care<br>&gt;&gt; for and about<br>> animals, you need to think some
> more. PETA literally <br>&gt;&gt;<br>> yells<br>&gt;&gt; and screams
> about how others &quot;kill animals&quot;<br>> but THIS is how
> they<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; operate? Pathetic. And you<br>> know what I
> wonder? PETA's *official* count<br>&gt;&gt; of animals they<br>> kill is
> 86.3 percent. But if they're going around<br>&gt;&gt; picking up<br>>
> animals, killing them while they drive around and not
> even<br>&gt;&gt;<br>> giving them a CHANCE<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; to be
> adopted, and
> then<br>> destroying the evidence by dumping the bodies
> <br>&gt;&gt;<br>> in<br>&gt;&gt; the trash, are THOSE deaths being
> reported? My guess: no.<br>> While 86.3<br>&gt;&gt; percent is awful,
> the actual number is probably<br>> much, MUCH higher.
> How<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; DARE they lecture ANYONE<br>> about
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