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RE: I'm considering...

Yeah, agreed - although ours do keep their leaves throughout the summer.
In fact that's a real annoyance because they lose their leaves only
reluctantly, we are raking and raking and raking from November all the
way up to when they leaf out again in spring. But I cannot fault them as
shade trees, even with their not insignificant drawbacks. 
But it simply isn't in the cards to take them out. The shade, the amount
they add to our property value, etc. I can't imagine how much it would
cost to have them removed, just getting them trimmed is now approaching
four figures, although that does include the two in the back yard. Never
say never though because they are really big and by now they are not all
that far from the foundations of the house...I'm sure as saplings 15 ft
away seemed like plenty.  
A worse tree than cottonwood or willow is the Siberian elm. I have
ranted many a time over the wretchedness of that tree, you can find
hundreds of them in the older neighborhoods and outlying little
ranch-ettes here. I'd much rather have a cottonwood than a Siberian elm.

My sister says get gravel and a leafblower and blow the leaves off the
gravel, problem solved. Yuck! 


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [mailto:owner-gardenchat@hort.net] On
Behalf Of james singer
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 11:40 AM
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: Re: [CHAT] I'm considering...

Are sycamores your best option for a shade trees? I know, I know... 
they're there and they're big and they do the job. But they're really
messy and, to my thinking anyway, a trash tree--one step above a
cottonwood or a willow. Most of the ones I've lived with got anthracnose
anyway, so halfway through summer they lost most of their leaves and
come late August and September, when their shade would've been much
appreciated, it was marginal at best.

On Jul 13, 2007, at 2:11 PM, Johnson Cyndi D Civ 95 CG/SCSRT wrote:

> This is zone 8 (usually). I think I am having trouble coming up with 
> ideas because I don't really want to do it. But something needs to be 
> done, either I start putting a lot of time into it or it has to be 
> radically different, it will not look better while I am standing 
> around trying to make up my mind. It's too hot now to do things though

> (except weeding, and if I could do that regularly I wouldn't be 
> thinking about change).
> I guess I will give some thought over the next few months to what 
> exactly could go in there and be maintainable plus less water 
> intensive.
> I won't have to commit to anything for a while that way. Drought 
> resistant groundcover for shade...something that won't trap a zillion 
> pounds of dead sycamore leaves...hmmm.
> Cyndi
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [mailto:owner-gardenchat@hort.net] On 
> Behalf Of Bonnie Holmes
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:46 AM
> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> Subject: RE: [CHAT] I'm considering...
> What about using easy perennials with groundcover that will require 
> little maintence?  You might not have all the blooms but if you do a 
> variety of leaf shape and color, the result could be interesting.  I 
> have several beds that I have done that way to avoid lots of 
> maintence...I have had to water this year as I have added things but 
> I, too, am looking to ways to avoid much watering in the future and am

> starting to collect and use things that are more drought tolerant.
> Many bulb/rhizone plants do not like lots of water and you could have 
> flowering bulbs in spring, summer and fall and they can poke up 
> through groundcover.  I forget...what's your zone?
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Johnson Cyndi D Civ 95 CG/SCSRT <cyndi.johnson@edwards.af.mil>
>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>> Date: 7/13/2007 1:33:39 PM
>> Subject: [CHAT] I'm considering...
>> I'm considering doing away with my cottage garden. The thought has 
>> been flitting through my head for a few months now, I have been 
>> resolutely pushing it away so far. I'm not good with big changes and 
>> I
>> have been very happy watching things bloom, but I don't know, perhaps

>> the time has come. Much of it looks terrible and I have to admit that

>> I can no longer keep up with the amount of maintenance it takes, not 
>> with us spending so much time on the horses now. Plus it sucks up a 
>> lot of water and we are getting many dire warnings about rationing - 
>> although I notice they keep issuing permits for new housing tracts.
> Grrrrr.
>> Anyway  there's a lot of pros and cons. I cannot get rid of the 
>> sycamores, those are three HUGE trees, and they will need water so 
>> it's not like the area can be a xeriscape. I was thinking about what 
>> I
>> would miss the most and it's the daffodils, there are hundreds, I 
>> can't envisage throwing them out. The roses too but not as much, and 
>> everything else I could mourn for and move on.
>> I will probably dither about this for months to come if not years. I 
>> can't come up with what I could do given that the big trees have to 
>> stay, and I surely do not want to go back to lawn. Maybe I should see

>> if I can find a native landscape designer and get some ideas. Sigh.
>> Cyndi
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27.1 N, 82.4 W
Hardiness Zone 10
Heat Zone 10
Sunset Zone 25
Minimum 30 F [-1 C]
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