Re: Re: Re: chat messages

Did the short one make it home OK?
Pam Evans
Kemp, TX
zone 8A
----- Original Message -----
From: james singer
Sent: 6/7/2004 5:16:35 PM
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: Re: [CHAT] Re: chat messages

> I've got glaucoma. It's not all that rare among personages of an age I  
> have grudgingly reached. Even if I skip the drops--which I usually do  
> on weekends, as well as skipping all the other pills that modify my  
> heart rate, bowel movements, and general deportment--I don't go blind.  
> And so far, I've noticed no change in visual acuity. As far as I know,  
> cloudiness of the cornea equals cataracts, not glaucoma. I've had that,  
> too. One of the great disadvantages of living in Florida is that the  
> brightness of the sun advances the formation of cataracts. But lasers  
> zap them out and ophalmalagists replace the corneas with plastic  
> implants.
> 
> All this brings to mind that Kenneth Fearing wrote a short story for [I  
> think] the first issue of "Discovery" magazine [which was really a  
> Bantam paperback book and the same issue published William Styron's  
> "Long March"] about a society in which humans were having various body  
> parts replaced with plastic stuff. As I recall, a chic young woman had  
> the pinky of her left hand replaced with a cigarette lighter.
> 
> I can't be the only one old enough to remember Fearing, Discovery, and  
> this story. Can I? Yeah, maybe. But Styron? Sophie's Choice?
> 
> 
> On Monday, June 7, 2004, at 05:27 PM, Kitty wrote:
> 
> > Pam,
> > I did just a little googling and found, "Glaucoma doesn't usually  
> > cause eye
> > pain unless you have narrow angles. Persons with narrow angles may
> > experience a deep, boring pain that can become an emergency if the  
> > fluid
> > can't filter out of your eye."
> >
> > This must be what the Vet was talking about.  He said the cat, all this
> > time, was not excperiencing pain.  He pointed out the tilting back as  
> > not
> > being a problem, nor painful - I'm guessing because of the angle.  He  
> > said
> > if it tilts forward, there would be a problem - I'm guessing that  
> > would be a
> > narrower angle, causing the above mentioned fluid filter problem - -  
> > which
> > is what he meant by the eye could blow.
> >
> > Anyway, even if he is safe for now, I worry that if the cornea is now
> > tilting, even in a not-so-bad way, it is that much easier for it to  
> > tilt the
> > wrong way as well.  I'm going to have to be more vigilant and check  
> > his eye
> > every day for changes.  I may have to plan on spending some $$$ here.  
> > Last
> > week's bill was over $300 and probably another $80-100 next month.   
> > Not easy
> > on unemployment, though I did plan for it.
> >
> > Kitty
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com>
> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 2:50 PM
> > Subject: [CHAT] Re: chat messages
> >
> >
> >> Really? Hmmm. I would think the pressure would be painful. Oh GOODY -
> >> more thunder and another thunderstorm/wind/hail warning. Golly
> >> gee-willikers I just can't wait for another fun filled evening.
> >>
> >>
> >> Pam Evans
> >> Kemp, TX
> >> zone 8A
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Kitty
> >> Sent: 6/7/2004 12:55:40 PM
> >> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >> Subject: Re: Re: Re: [CHAT] chat messages
> >>
> >>> His opinion has always been that it doesn't seem to bother the cat,  
> >>> they
> >>
> >>> live a fine life without tinkering with it (his other eye is fine).
> > Doesn't
> >>
> >>> think it warrants the expense.  However, I have to go back next month
> > for
> >>
> >>> Slugger's booster shots and Bartonalosis test, so I will discuss
> >>
> >>> Braveheart's eye problem further with him then.
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>> Time really flies.  I think I mentioned my 5 boys range from 3 to 9  
> >>> yrs.
> > Dr
> >>
> >>> says Slugger is barely 3.  But I just checked my files and Jack is 12
> > yrs -
> >>
> >>> that's supposedly 81 in human years.  My guess on Braveheart is 10  
> >>> yrs.
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>> Kitty
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >>> From: <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com>
> >>
> >>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>
> >>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:00 PM
> >>
> >>> Subject: Re: Re: Re: [CHAT] chat messages
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>>> that is frightening, they can treat glaucoma in people, why not
> > kitties??
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>> Pam Evans
> >>
> >>>> Kemp, TX
> >>
> >>>> zone 8A
> >>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >>>> From: Kitty
> >>
> >>>> Sent: 6/7/2004 11:29:05 AM
> >>
> >>>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >>
> >>>> Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] chat messages
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>> Yes, I was a little confused because it was my impression he has  
> >>>>> had
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>> glaucoma all these years as the eye got more cloudy with the  
> >>>>> passage
> > of
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>> time.  Now the vet said it is a glaucoma.  Guess  I just didn't
> >>
> >>> understand
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>> the disease.  The whole thing has me pretty scared. What if I don't
> >>
> >>> notice
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>> the tilt of the cornea shift forward?  An eye "blowing out" on the
> > poor
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>> little guy sounds frightening to me.
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>> Kitty
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>> From: "Melody" <mhobertm@excite.com>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 3:15 AM
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] chat messages
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> Kitty:  Is that a glaucoma or something your poor Braveheart is
> >>
> >>> getting?
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>> Is that what is causing his cornea to tilt?  Poor baby!
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> Melody, IA (Z 5/4)
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious."
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> --Albert Einstein
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>  --- On Fri 06/04, Kitty < kmrsy@comcast.net > wrote:
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> From: Kitty [mailto: kmrsy@comcast.net]
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:32:07 -0500
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] chat messages
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> That's sad, Melody. I had a similar situation with a German
> > Shepherd
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> years<br>ago, though he never hurt the cats. I had to put him down
> > and
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> it was so<br>hard. The cats accidents occurred at a young age, so
> > I
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> expect they learned<br>to cope and have taken it more or less in
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> stride.<br><br>You mentioned the peripheral vision problem.
> > Braveheart
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> has always had<br>trouble with one eye and it was so cloudy I
> > figured
> >>
> >>> he
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> could no longer see<br>out of it. Today he got his flea shot and
> > the
> >>
> >>> vet
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> noticed the cornea was<br>now tilted back. He said I should watch
> > to
> >>
> >>> be
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> sure it doesn't tilt forward<br>because the eye could blow if it
> > did.
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> Scary.<br><br>Kitty<br><br>----- Original Message ----- <br>From:
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> "Melody" <mhobertm@excite.com><br>To:
> > <gardenchat@hort.net><br>Sent:
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> Thursday, June 03, 2004 2:18 AM<br>Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] chat
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> messages<br><br><br>> Poor cats came to us perfectly normal and
> >>
> >>> healthy
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> as kittens. We had an<br>> aging dog that objected to sharing his
> > food
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> with them and they both<br>> walked up to him when he was eating
> > and
> >>
> >>> he
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> grabbed them by the head and<br>> flung them across the kitchen.
> > Poor
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> Miko (the himalayan) got a broken<br>> jaw and punctured roof of
> > his
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> mouth for his trouble. At the time, he was<br>> the only thing our
> >>
> >>> poor
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> dog had ever objected to...kids could crawl all<br>> over this dog
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> pulling every which way on him and he wouldn't so much as<br>>
> > twitch.
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> At the time, we just thought it was an accident. A year
> > later,<br>>
> >>
> >>> with
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> Katie the second kitten, when the exact same thing happened, we
> >>
> >>> had<br>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> the dog put down. Turned out every one of his litter mates had
> > been
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> put<br>> down for brain tumors that resulted in unprovoked
> > aggression
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> and the vet<br>> thinks this is what happened with him. Almost
> > killed
> >>
> >>> me
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> to put that dog<br>> to sleep but I couldn't bear the thought of
> > this
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> great big gentle dog<br>> whom we loved so much turning into a
> > monster
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> and being left with the<br>> memory of him mauling a kid or
> > something.
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> Funny thing is, every dog<br>> we've had since we've been looking
> > for
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> him...fo
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> und him in Sidda but had<br>> to put her down, too. Maybe we're
> > just
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> cursed when it comes to big<br>> dogs...<br>><br>><br>><br>>
> > Melody,
> >>
> >>> IA
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> (Z 5/4)<br>><br>> "The most beautiful thing we can experience is
> > the
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> mysterious."<br>> --Albert Einstein<br>><br>> --- On Wed 06/02,
> > Kitty
> >>
> >>> <
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> kmrsy@comcast.net > wrote:<br>> From: Kitty [mailto:
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> kmrsy@comcast.net]<br>> To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>> Date: Wed, 2
> > Jun
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> 2004 09:08:30 -0500<br>> Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] chat
> >>
> >>> messages<br>><br>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> That's sad, but...<br>Being animals, they don't know there's a
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> problem;<br>> this is just how it is.<br>Very good of you to take
> > on
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> such cats. They<br>> may not allow some grooming<br>from you, but
> > I
> >>
> >>> bet
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> they have developed<br>> some trust in you.<br>Kitty<br><br>-----
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> Original Message -----<br>> <br>From: "Melody"
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> <mhobertm@excite.com><br>To:<br>> <gardenchat@hort.net><br>Sent:
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> Wednesday, June 02, 2004 1:16<br>> AM<br>Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT]
> > chat
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> messages<br><br><br>> I agree, Kitty,<br>> that for the most part,
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> animals seem to sense when you<br>> want to help<br>> them, but
> > this
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> poor cat of mine was brain damaged when very<br>> little<br>> and
> > he's
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> not the sharpest tool in the shed, if you know what I<br>><br>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> mean...but we love him anyway. His "sister" cat has the
> > same<br>><br>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> problem...brain damaged as a small kitten, now kind of slow
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> mentally<br>> and<br>> she has some peripheral vision problems
> > from
> >>
> >>> the
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> temporary<br>> blindness she<br>> suffered with her
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> injuries.<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> Melody, IA (Z 5/4)<br>><br>>
> > "The
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> most beautiful thing we can experience<br>> is the
> > mysterious."<br>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> --Albert Einstein<br>><br>> --- On Tue 06/01,<br>> Kitty <
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> kmrsy@comcast.net > wrote:<br>> From: Kitty [mailto:<br>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> kmrsy@comcast.net]<br>> To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>> Date: Tue, 1
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> Jun<br>> 2004 09:22:52 -0500<br>> Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] chat
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> messages<br>><br>><br>> > ...if only he was able to see that<br>>
> > one
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> thing leads to<br>><br>> another...<br><br>I have several cats
> > over
> >>
> >>> the
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> years and I have had<br>> the<br>> sense that somehow<br>they un
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> de
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> rstand that when I'm doing<br>> something they<br>> don't like to
> > them
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> or<br>trying to aid them when<br>> they are afraid - that<br>>
> > they
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> trust me. They bear<br>with me, they<br>> sort of steel
> >>
> >>> themselves<br>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> because they seem to understand I<br>must<br>> be doing this for a
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> good<br>> reason. Hard to explain, but they seem<br>>
> > to<br>believe
> >>
> >>> that
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> Mom knows<br>> best.<br><br>Kitty<br><br>-----<br>> Original
> > Message
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> ----- <br>From:<br>> "Melody"<br>> <mhobertm@excite.com><br>To:
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> <gardenchat@hort.net><br>Sent:<br>><br>> Tuesday, June 01, 2004
> > 3:45
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> AM<br>Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] chat<br>><br>> messages<br><br><br>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> Libby<br>><br>> : re: the cat with the long hair and snarls:<br>>
> > I
> >>
> >>> have
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> a male<br>> seal<br>> point Himalayan who will not tolerate
> > being<br>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> brushed.<br>> He<br>> bites...hard...whenever he feels like we've
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> crossed<br>> over<br>> his line for<br>> tolerating the little bit
> > of
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> grooming he does<br>><br>> allow. So, we try to keep<br>> up with
> > it
> >>
> >>> as
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> best as possible, but<br>> about<br>> once every year or so we
> >>
> >>> take<br>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> him to the vet and have<br>> him shaved<br>> down to remove the
> >>
> >>> twisted,
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> snarled<br>> hair. Hair<br>> grows back in fairly<br>> rapidly and
> > in
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> much better condition.<br>><br>> Then we start all over
> > again.<br>>
> >>
> >>> Poor
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> guy...if only he was able to see<br>> that<br>> one thing leads
> >>
> >>> to<br>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> another...<br>><br>><br>><br>> Melody,<br>> IA (Z 5/4)<br>><br>>
> > "The
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> most<br>> beautiful thing we can experience is<br>> the
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> mysterious."<br>> --Albert<br>> Einstein<br>><br>> --- On Fri
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> 05/28,<br>> Libby Valentine <<br>> L_Valentine@adelphia.net >
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> wrote:<br>> From:<br>> Libby Valentine [mailto:<br>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> L_Valentine@adelphia.net]<br>> To:<br>> gardenchat@hort.net<br>>
> > Date:
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> Fri,<br>> 28 May 2004 21:29:58 -0400<br>><br>> Subject: Re: Re:
> > [CHAT]
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> chat<br>> messages<br>><br>> Hi<br>> everybody,<br><br>I got
> > behind
> >>
> >>> with
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> chat messages<br>> about 4 weeks<br>> ago<br>> and even though I'm
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> trying<br>to skim through 2-3<br>> days<br>> worth every
> > night<br>>
> >>
> >>> now,
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> I still have almost 1800<br>unread in<br>><br>> my chat
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> folder.<br>I know I<br>> missed several birthdays, and a<br>>
> >>
> >>> whole<br>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> thread on cicadas, which are<br>on<br>> the increas<br>><br>><br>>
> > e
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> here, and all kinds of other good stuff. Congrats
> > on<br>><br>><br>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> the<br>successful plant sales! Welcome back DF! Welcome to
> > the<br>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> other<br>> new<br>> members<br>who are joining in!<br>On the Short
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> One,<br>> for one<br>> summer when<br>> I was little and tagging
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> after<br>> my<br>grandfather<br>> "helping" him with<br>> yardwork
> > and
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> gardening,<br>> he nicknamed me<br>> "kid"<br>and I loved it.
> > My<br>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> grandmother,<br>> however, did not, and<br>> after a couple
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> days,<br>that was<br>> that.<br>> So I think short one is<br>>
> > great.
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> And I'm glad her arm<br>><br>> is<br>better.<br><br>One of these
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> days<br>> I'll get current. In the<<br>><br>> br<br>> >> meantime,
> > I
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> still have about 20<br>plants<br>> on the front porch and<br>> 7
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> yards<br>> of mulch in the driveway.<br>> Weather<br>this
> > weekend<br>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> looks wonderful so I'm<br>> hoping to get some<br>> gardening
> >>
> >>> done<br>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> in<br>between other commitments.<br>> Anybody have a good<br>>
> > trick
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> for<br>> getting snarls out<br>of long cat fur when<br>> the cat
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> will<br>> only<br>> rarely let herself be caught? She's<br>an
> > indoor
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> cat<br>> but she's<br>><br>> psychic.<br><br>And boy do I relate
> > to
> >>
> >>> the
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> annoyance with job<br>><br>><br>>
> > scenario.<br><br>Libby<br>Maryland
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> zone 6<br><br><br><br>-----<br>><br>> Original<br>> Message -----
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> <br>From: "Kitty"<br>><br>> <kmrsy@comcast.net><br>To:<br>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> <gardenchat@hort.net><br>Sent:<br>> Friday,<br>> May 28, 2004
> > 10:54
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> AM<br>Subject:<br>> Re: Re: [CHAT] Plant<br>> disaster/ups<br>>
> > versus
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> usps<br><br><br>> >archives<br>> show over<br>> 1700<br>> >
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> messages<br>> this month<br>><br>> I thought we were<br>><br>>
> > pretty
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> chatty. Still, that's<br>> a lot better than what AHS<br>><br>>
> >>
> >>> was<br>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> allowing us when the list was<br>> with them.<br>><br>>
> >>
> >>> Kitty<br>><br>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> -----<br>> Original Message ----- <br>><br>> From:<br>> "Donna"
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> <justme@prairieinet.net><br>><br>> To:<br>><br>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> <gardenchat@hort.net><br>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>  S
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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> >>
> >>>>>> http://www.hort.net/funds/
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>> Support hort.net -- join the hort.net fund drive!
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>> http://www.hort.net/funds/
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> >>>> -
> >>
> >>>> Support hort.net -- join the hort.net fund drive!
> >>
> >>>> http://www.hort.net/funds/
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>> Support hort.net -- join the hort.net fund drive!
> >>
> >>> http://www.hort.net/funds/
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Support hort.net -- join the hort.net fund drive!
> >> http://www.hort.net/funds/
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Support hort.net -- join the hort.net fund drive!
> > http://www.hort.net/funds/
> >
> >
> Island Jim
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