Re: Re: chat messages

To: g*@hort.net
Subject: Re: [CHAT] Re: chat messages
From: j* s* <j*@igc.org>
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 04:49:58 -0400
In-reply-to: <12d5d7df03a84565832e53b49d96e913.gardenqueen@academicplanet.com>

Comes home today. Of course, if I'd waited until this evening to reply, I probably could have said "Yes" :>)

On Monday, June 7, 2004, at 10:16 PM, "" <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com> wrote:

Did the short one make it home OK?
Pam Evans
Kemp, TX
zone 8A
----- Original Message -----
From: james singer
Sent: 6/7/2004 5:16:35 PM
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: Re: [CHAT] Re: chat messages
I've got glaucoma. It's not all that rare among personages of an age I have grudgingly reached. Even if I skip the drops--which I usually do on weekends, as well as skipping all the other pills that modify my heart rate, bowel movements, and general deportment--I don't go blind. And so far, I've noticed no change in visual acuity. As far as I know, cloudiness of the cornea equals cataracts, not glaucoma. I've had that, too. One of the great disadvantages of living in Florida is that the brightness of the sun advances the formation of cataracts. But lasers zap them out and ophalmalagists replace the corneas with plastic implants.

All this brings to mind that Kenneth Fearing wrote a short story for [I think] the first issue of "Discovery" magazine [which was really a Bantam paperback book and the same issue published William Styron's "Long March"] about a society in which humans were having various body parts replaced with plastic stuff. As I recall, a chic young woman had the pinky of her left hand replaced with a cigarette lighter.
I can't be the only one old enough to remember Fearing, Discovery, and
this story. Can I? Yeah, maybe. But Styron? Sophie's Choice?
On Monday, June 7, 2004, at 05:27 PM, Kitty wrote:
Pam,
I did just a little googling and found, "Glaucoma doesn't usually
cause eye
pain unless you have narrow angles. Persons with narrow angles may
experience a deep, boring pain that can become an emergency if the
fluid
can't filter out of your eye."
This must be what the Vet was talking about. He said the cat, all this time, was not excperiencing pain. He pointed out the tilting back as not being a problem, nor painful - I'm guessing because of the angle. He said if it tilts forward, there would be a problem - I'm guessing that would be a narrower angle, causing the above mentioned fluid filter problem - - which is what he meant by the eye could blow.
Anyway, even if he is safe for now, I worry that if the cornea is now
tilting, even in a not-so-bad way, it is that much easier for it to
tilt the
wrong way as well. I'm going to have to be more vigilant and check
his eye
every day for changes. I may have to plan on spending some $$$ here.
Last
week's bill was over $300 and probably another $80-100 next month.
Not easy
on unemployment, though I did plan for it.
Kitty
----- Original Message -----
From: <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 2:50 PM
Subject: [CHAT] Re: chat messages
Really? Hmmm. I would think the pressure would be painful. Oh GOODY - more thunder and another thunderstorm/wind/hail warning. Golly gee-willikers I just can't wait for another fun filled evening.
Pam Evans
Kemp, TX
zone 8A
----- Original Message -----
From: Kitty
Sent: 6/7/2004 12:55:40 PM
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [CHAT] chat messages
His opinion has always been that it doesn't seem to bother the cat,
they
live a fine life without tinkering with it (his other eye is fine).
Doesn't

think it warrants the expense. However, I have to go back next month
for
Slugger's booster shots and Bartonalosis test, so I will discuss

Braveheart's eye problem further with him then.
Time really flies. I think I mentioned my 5 boys range from 3 to 9
yrs.
Dr

says Slugger is barely 3. But I just checked my files and Jack is 12
yrs -
that's supposedly 81 in human years. My guess on Braveheart is 10
yrs.
Kitty

----- Original Message -----

From: <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com>

To: <gardenchat@hort.net>

Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:00 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Re: [CHAT] chat messages

that is frightening, they can treat glaucoma in people, why not
kitties??
Pam Evans

Kemp, TX

zone 8A

----- Original Message -----

From: Kitty

Sent: 6/7/2004 11:29:05 AM

To: gardenchat@hort.net

Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] chat messages
Yes, I was a little confused because it was my impression he has
had
glaucoma all these years as the eye got more cloudy with the
passage
of

time. Now the vet said it is a glaucoma. Guess I just didn't

understand

the disease. The whole thing has me pretty scared. What if I don't

notice

the tilt of the cornea shift forward? An eye "blowing out" on the
poor

little guy sounds frightening to me.

Kitty

----- Original Message -----

From: "Melody" <mhobertm@excite.com>

To: <gardenchat@hort.net>

Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 3:15 AM

Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] chat messages

Kitty: Is that a glaucoma or something your poor Braveheart is

getting?

Is that what is causing his cornea to tilt? Poor baby!

Melody, IA (Z 5/4)

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious."

--Albert Einstein

--- On Fri 06/04, Kitty < kmrsy@comcast.net > wrote:

From: Kitty [mailto: kmrsy@comcast.net]

To: gardenchat@hort.net

Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:32:07 -0500

Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] chat messages

That's sad, Melody. I had a similar situation with a German
Shepherd

years ago, though he never hurt the cats. I had to put him down
and

it was so hard. The cats accidents occurred at a young age, so
I

expect they learned to cope and have taken it more or less in

stride. You mentioned the peripheral vision problem.
Braveheart

has always had trouble with one eye and it was so cloudy I
figured

he

could no longer see out of it. Today he got his flea shot and
the

vet

noticed the cornea was now tilted back. He said I should watch
to

be

sure it doesn't tilt forward because the eye could blow if it
did.

Scary. Kitty ----- Original Message ----- From:

"Melody" <mhobertm@excite.com> To:
<gardenchat@hort.net> Sent:

Thursday, June 03, 2004 2:18 AM Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] chat

messages > Poor cats came to us perfectly normal and

healthy

as kittens. We had an > aging dog that objected to sharing his
food

with them and they both > walked up to him when he was eating
and

he

grabbed them by the head and > flung them across the kitchen.
Poor

Miko (the himalayan) got a broken > jaw and punctured roof of
his

mouth for his trouble. At the time, he was > the only thing our

poor

dog had ever objected to...kids could crawl all > over this dog

pulling every which way on him and he wouldn't so much as >
twitch.

At the time, we just thought it was an accident. A year
later, >

with

Katie the second kitten, when the exact same thing happened, we

had >

the dog put down. Turned out every one of his litter mates had
been

put > down for brain tumors that resulted in unprovoked
aggression

and the vet > thinks this is what happened with him. Almost
killed

me

to put that dog > to sleep but I couldn't bear the thought of
this

great big gentle dog > whom we loved so much turning into a
monster

and being left with the > memory of him mauling a kid or
something.

Funny thing is, every dog > we've had since we've been looking
for

him...fo

und him in Sidda but had > to put her down, too. Maybe we're
just

cursed when it comes to big > dogs... > > > >
Melody,

IA

(Z 5/4) > > "The most beautiful thing we can experience is
the

mysterious." > --Albert Einstein > > --- On Wed 06/02,
Kitty

<

kmrsy@comcast.net > wrote: > From: Kitty [mailto:

kmrsy@comcast.net] > To: gardenchat@hort.net > Date: Wed, 2
Jun

2004 09:08:30 -0500 > Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] chat

messages > >

That's sad, but... Being animals, they don't know there's a

problem; > this is just how it is. Very good of you to take
on

such cats. They > may not allow some grooming from you, but
I

bet

they have developed > some trust in you. Kitty -----

Original Message ----- > From: "Melody"

<mhobertm@excite.com> To: > <gardenchat@hort.net> Sent:

Wednesday, June 02, 2004 1:16 > AM Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT]
chat

messages > I agree, Kitty, > that for the most part,

animals seem to sense when you > want to help > them, but
this

poor cat of mine was brain damaged when very > little > and
he's

not the sharpest tool in the shed, if you know what I > >

mean...but we love him anyway. His "sister" cat has the
same > >

problem...brain damaged as a small kitten, now kind of slow

mentally > and > she has some peripheral vision problems
from

the

temporary > blindness she > suffered with her

injuries. > > > > > Melody, IA (Z 5/4) > >
"The

most beautiful thing we can experience > is the
mysterious." >

--Albert Einstein > > --- On Tue 06/01, > Kitty <

kmrsy@comcast.net > wrote: > From: Kitty [mailto: >

kmrsy@comcast.net] > To: gardenchat@hort.net > Date: Tue, 1

Jun > 2004 09:22:52 -0500 > Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] chat

messages > > > > ...if only he was able to see that >
one

thing leads to > > another... I have several cats
over

the

years and I have had > the > sense that somehow they un

de

rstand that when I'm doing > something they > don't like to
them

or trying to aid them when > they are afraid - that >
they

trust me. They bear with me, they > sort of steel

themselves >

because they seem to understand I must > be doing this for a

good > reason. Hard to explain, but they seem >
to believe

that

Mom knows > best. Kitty ----- > Original
Message

----- From: > "Melody" > <mhobertm@excite.com> To:

<gardenchat@hort.net> Sent: > > Tuesday, June 01, 2004
3:45

AM Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] chat > > messages >

Libby > > : re: the cat with the long hair and snarls: >
I

have

a male > seal > point Himalayan who will not tolerate
being >

brushed. > He > bites...hard...whenever he feels like we've

crossed > over > his line for > tolerating the little bit
of

grooming he does > > allow. So, we try to keep > up with
it

as

best as possible, but > about > once every year or so we

take >

him to the vet and have > him shaved > down to remove the

twisted,

snarled > hair. Hair > grows back in fairly > rapidly and
in

much better condition. > > Then we start all over
again. >

Poor

guy...if only he was able to see > that > one thing leads

to >

another... > > > > Melody, > IA (Z 5/4) > >
"The

most > beautiful thing we can experience is > the

mysterious." > --Albert > Einstein > > --- On Fri

05/28, > Libby Valentine < > L_Valentine@adelphia.net >

wrote: > From: > Libby Valentine [mailto: >

L_Valentine@adelphia.net] > To: > gardenchat@hort.net >
Date:

Fri, > 28 May 2004 21:29:58 -0400 > > Subject: Re: Re:
[CHAT]

chat > messages > > Hi > everybody, I got
behind

with

chat messages > about 4 weeks > ago > and even though I'm

trying to skim through 2-3 > days > worth every
night >

now,

I still have almost 1800 unread in > > my chat

folder. I know I > missed several birthdays, and a >

whole >

thread on cicadas, which are on > the increas > > >
e

here, and all kinds of other good stuff. Congrats
on > > >

the successful plant sales! Welcome back DF! Welcome to
the >

other > new > members who are joining in! On the Short

One, > for one > summer when > I was little and tagging

after > my grandfather > "helping" him with > yardwork
and

gardening, > he nicknamed me > "kid" and I loved it.
My >

grandmother, > however, did not, and > after a couple

days, that was > that. > So I think short one is >
great.

And I'm glad her arm > > is better. One of these

days > I'll get current. In the< > > br > >> meantime,
I

still have about 20 plants > on the front porch and > 7

yards > of mulch in the driveway. > Weather this
weekend >

looks wonderful so I'm > hoping to get some > gardening

done >

in between other commitments. > Anybody have a good >
trick

for > getting snarls out of long cat fur when > the cat

will > only > rarely let herself be caught? She's an
indoor

cat > but she's > > psychic. And boy do I relate
to

the

annoyance with job > > >
scenario. Libby Maryland

zone 6 ----- > > Original > Message -----

 From: "Kitty" > > <kmrsy@comcast.net> To: >

<gardenchat@hort.net> Sent: > Friday, > May 28, 2004
10:54

AM Subject: > Re: Re: [CHAT] Plant > disaster/ups >
versus

usps > >archives > show over > 1700 > >

messages > this month > > I thought we were > >
pretty

chatty. Still, that's > a lot better than what AHS > >

was >

allowing us when the list was > with them. > >

Kitty > >

----- > Original Message ----- > > From: > "Donna"

<justme@prairieinet.net> > > To: > >

<gardenchat@hort.net> >

S

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