Re: Re: Re: infor
Pam,
Yes I tried beneficial nemetodes many years ago. I think it helped,
couldn't say for sure. But my lot is 60 ft wide, bounded by 4 neighbors.
They won't treat heirs and the beetles would just fly on over here.
In my early years of gardening, early-mid 90s, I tried all sorts of stuff,
much of it organic from Gardens Alive!, but also some chemicals and
fungicides suggested by Pirone when I took my courses on pest control. In
the long run, I tried all sorts of stuff, but it gets expensive and not
altogether necessary. Heck, I can live with a little powdery mildew.
Kitty
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From: <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [CHAT] infor
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> <BODY>I see. Just curious. Actually have you ever tried the beneficial
> nematodes? They take care of all lawn grubs, including Jap beetles which
had not
> made it here. We have other kinds though and it gets those too. It also
controls
> fire ants, iris borers and flea larvae. Good stuff. Pam Evans Kemp, TX
zone 8A
> ----- Original Message ----- From: Kitty Sent: 6/19/2004 3:13:00 PM To:
> gardenchat@hort.net Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] infor > Pam, > You must
> realize you are an exception. Most people will not spend 16 hours > a
day
> watering their plants. Many people will not live with plants with >
holes in
> the leaves if there is a way to prevent it, organic or not. When I >
said not
> feasible, I meant not feasible for the general population; I wasn't >
> referring to myself. I'm content to live with some destruction, others
>
> won't or can't. Right now I've got a bug here I found on one of my lilies
>
> last year. There was just one last year. I posted pictures, also showed to
>
> our Hort Ed. While trying to get an ID, it destroyed the plant. This year
> I
> found 4 of them on a Deutzia. Snipped the whole stem, bagged it and took
> it
> in to CES. He said possibly lacebug, but I'm not so sure. Just found 2
> more
> on another lily. This bug will not go away with a shot of water, he >
needs
> stronger measures and I'm not about to let him go crazy on my lilies. >
> Without an ID, though, it's hard to know what to use. > > Anyway,
back to
> straight organic. I don't know if you have Japanese Beetles > there,
but
> nothing organic is going to stop them. You can try Milky Spore, > but
once
> the grubs die off there's nothing for MS to feed on and it goes > away.
Even
> if it did persist, they'll just wing it over to your nice plants > from
your
> neighbor's untreated yard. > > I firmly believe in IPM and use even
less
> than that warrants. I'm fairly > close to organic, including my
fertilizers.
> But most people won't spend $30 > / bag to cover 2000 sq ft of lawn.
Shoot,
> my neighbor won't spend $5. > > For the activist, all organic is
possible.
> For the perectionist it is not > feasible. For the the general
population of
> gardeners out there who have a > garden as one of their many pastimes,
who
> enjoy puttering in their garden > occasionally, who maybe just are
determined
> that their landscape be > presentable, but have no intention of reading
up on
> organic methods, it > isn't going to happen. > > Ortho does too
good a
> job marketing their chemicals. People who just want > the problem to go
away
> are quick to grab "Bug-B-Gone" I've not read the > label, but just the
> thought that they want every bug to be gone scares me > because I know
it
> must detrimentally affect the good bug population as well. > But not
everyone
> has the level of interest that many of us share on this > list. So many
> people have no more than an hour or 2 a week to deal with > their
landscape
> and it is not realistic to expect that they will strive for > the
organic
> solution. > > Kitty > > ----- Original Message ----- >
From:
> <gardenqueen@ACADEMICPLANET.COM>>
>
> To: <gardenchat@HORT.NET>> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004
> 1:10 PM > Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] infor > > > > Not
feasible
> where darlin'?? I've been all organic since I started the > >
> bird/butterfly sanctuary 5-6 years ago and was 80% organic before. It >
>
> works here at least. Joanne across the street does the same. Is it >
>
> different there? > > > > > > Pam Evans > > Kemp,
TX >
> > zone 8A > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Kitty
>
> > Sent: 6/19/2004 9:19:43 AM > > To: gardenchat@hort.net >
>
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] infor > > > > > Ceres, > > >
>
> > I have used Merit a couple of times with good results to protect my
>
> birch > > > > > tree from Japanese Beetles. I don't know
how much
> bee activity there > would > > > > > be around birch
catkins.
> Merit had
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> been suggested by our Hort Ed as
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> a > safer > >
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> > > > product than those previously used, but no product of
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> this sort is > > > > > completely safe. I
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> was concerned about the affect to soil organisms in > my > >
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> > application.
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> I've been on amessage
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> board where,
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> when the subject of
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>
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> Merit
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> was raised, > > > > > folks came out vehemently against
it for
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> all
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> sorts of reasons. But the > > > > > objections came
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> from
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> people that I would guess to be totally organic > types. > >
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> > In a better world everything would be organic, but with what
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> we have > today, > > > > > it's not feasible.
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> > > > > > > > > I no longer use Merit
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> but this is mainly because I am a lazy gardener > and I
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> > > > > > don't resort to insecticides unless absolutely
necessary.
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> Japanese
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> > Beetles > > > > > seem to have declined in number
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> in
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> the past few
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> years, but that is > probably > > > > > cyclical. In
a couple
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> more years
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> I may have to resort to such measures
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> > > > > again. > > > > > > > > >
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> Kitty > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original
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> From: <CERSGARDEN@AOL.COM>> > > > >
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> To: <gardenchat@HORT.NET>> > > > > Sent:
> Saturday, June 19, 2004 8:38 AM > > > > > Subject: [CHAT]
infor
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> I am a lurker on an iris list. I am sending a message copied from it. >
>
> > > > What > > > > > > are your thoughts? I
have
> never used this product nor have I > researched > > > >
> the
> > > > > > > use of. The writer seems to be a very
> knowledgeable member of this > list. > > > > > >
Ceres >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Generally systemic
> insecticides are considered to be reasonably safe > to > > >
>
> > > pollinators since they don't get excessive exposure via the
pollen or
> > > > > > > nectar, but Merit may be a bit different.
The
> active ingredient > > > > > > (imidacloprid) has two
actions.
> One, at higher doses, is lethal to > > > > > insects. >
>
> > > > > At lower doses it can affect behavior without directly
> killing the > insect, > > > > > > such as stopping
aphids
> from feeding. It is the behavioral effects > that > > > >
>
> are > > > > > > of concern regarding bees since it is
claimed
> that imidacloprid can > > > > > disrupt > > > >
>
> > foraging activities.-- in fact some of it's uses were banned in
France >
> > > > > > because of complaints from beekeepers. Bayer (who
make
> it) deny these > > > > > > claims based on what seems
like
> good research, and there haven't been > many > > > > >
>
> complaints about its impact on bees in the US as far as I know. This >
is
> > > > > > all > > > > > > complicated by
the
> fact that bee populations in the US have been > decimated > >
> >
> > > by Varroa mites, and if colonies do decline, it could well be
mites
> > that > > > > > > are causing it. So, as usual, the
> situation is murky, and it depends > who > > > > > >
you
> believe. There are some interesting websites on this if anyone is >
> >
> > > > interested in digging deeper. I have a couple of research
> projects at > the > > > > > > moment on this compound
and
> its effects on insects, so the area is of > some > > > >
>
> > interest to me and all of this may be more than you wanted to know!.
>
> Bob > > > > > > Hollingworth. > > > > >
>
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