Re: infor
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- From: &* H* <h*@usit.net>
- Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:59:08 -0700
I have a fig tree that is getting quite large...what is the standard way
and time for pruning? I don't know the species...took a sapling from my
sister's garden in SC.
Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
> [Original Message]
> From: james singer <jsinger@igc.org>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Date: 06/20/2004 1:12:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] infor
>
> Lots of folks here use beneficial nematodes--parts of Florida have
> serious unbeneficial nematode infestations or problems. I believe
> Peaceful Valley Farm Supply sells them.
>
> Figs--one of Ms. Fatma's favorite fruits--are especially susceptible.
> We finally found a Mission fig, genetically engineered by Louisiana
> State University to be nematode resistant, that has begun to produce
> large crops of rather smallish figs. Good flavor, but half the size of
> a regular Mission.
>
> But, this is only its third year of production. And it's not been
> pruned yet--a task for the next cold season. I plan to severely whack
> it back this winter and mulch it heavily with rotted cow manure for the
> dormant season.
>
>
> On Saturday, June 19, 2004, at 07:29 PM, Kitty wrote:
>
> > Pam,
> > Yes I tried beneficial nemetodes many years ago. I think it helped,
> > couldn't say for sure. But my lot is 60 ft wide, bounded by 4
> > neighbors.
> > They won't treat heirs and the beetles would just fly on over here.
> >
> > In my early years of gardening, early-mid 90s, I tried all sorts of
> > stuff,
> > much of it organic from Gardens Alive!, but also some chemicals and
> > fungicides suggested by Pirone when I took my courses on pest control.
> > In
> > the long run, I tried all sorts of stuff, but it gets expensive and not
> > altogether necessary. Heck, I can live with a little powdery mildew.
> >
> > Kitty
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com>
> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 4:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: Re: Re: [CHAT] infor
> >
> >
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> >> <BODY>I see. Just curious. Actually have you ever tried the beneficial
> >> nematodes? They take care of all lawn grubs, including Jap beetles
> >> which
> > had not
> >> made it here. We have other kinds though and it gets those too. It
> >> also
> > controls
> >> fire ants, iris borers and flea larvae. Good stuff. Pam Evans Kemp, TX
> > zone 8A
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: Kitty Sent: 6/19/2004 3:13:00 PM
> >> To:
> >> gardenchat@hort.net Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] infor > Pam, > You
> >> must
> >> realize you are an exception. Most people will not spend 16 hours
> >> > a
> > day
> >> watering their plants. Many people will not live with plants with >
> > holes in
> >> the leaves if there is a way to prevent it, organic or not. When I
> >> >
> > said not
> >> feasible, I meant not feasible for the general population; I wasn't
> >> >
> >> referring to myself. I'm content to live with some destruction, others
> > >
> >> won't or can't. Right now I've got a bug here I found on one of my
> >> lilies
> > >
> >> last year. There was just one last year. I posted pictures, also
> >> showed to
> > >
> >> our Hort Ed. While trying to get an ID, it destroyed the plant. This
> >> year
> > > I
> >> found 4 of them on a Deutzia. Snipped the whole stem, bagged it and
> >> took
> > > it
> >> in to CES. He said possibly lacebug, but I'm not so sure. Just found 2
> > > more
> >> on another lily. This bug will not go away with a shot of water, he
> >> >
> > needs
> >> stronger measures and I'm not about to let him go crazy on my lilies.
> >> >
> >> Without an ID, though, it's hard to know what to use. > >
> >> Anyway,
> > back to
> >> straight organic. I don't know if you have Japanese Beetles >
> >> there,
> > but
> >> nothing organic is going to stop them. You can try Milky Spore, >
> >> but
> > once
> >> the grubs die off there's nothing for MS to feed on and it goes >
> >> away.
> > Even
> >> if it did persist, they'll just wing it over to your nice plants >
> >> from
> > your
> >> neighbor's untreated yard. > > I firmly believe in IPM and use
> >> even
> > less
> >> than that warrants. I'm fairly > close to organic, including my
> > fertilizers.
> >> But most people won't spend $30 > / bag to cover 2000 sq ft of
> >> lawn.
> > Shoot,
> >> my neighbor won't spend $5. > > For the activist, all organic is
> > possible.
> >> For the perectionist it is not > feasible. For the the general
> > population of
> >> gardeners out there who have a > garden as one of their many
> >> pastimes,
> > who
> >> enjoy puttering in their garden > occasionally, who maybe just are
> > determined
> >> that their landscape be > presentable, but have no intention of
> >> reading
> > up on
> >> organic methods, it > isn't going to happen. > > Ortho does
> >> too
> > good a
> >> job marketing their chemicals. People who just want > the problem
> >> to go
> > away
> >> are quick to grab "Bug-B-Gone" I've not read the > label, but just
> >> the
> >> thought that they want every bug to be gone scares me > because I
> >> know
> > it
> >> must detrimentally affect the good bug population as well. > But
> >> not
> > everyone
> >> has the level of interest that many of us share on this > list. So
> >> many
> >> people have no more than an hour or 2 a week to deal with > their
> > landscape
> >> and it is not realistic to expect that they will strive for > the
> > organic
> >> solution. > > Kitty > > ----- Original Message ----- >
> > From:
> >> <gardenqueen@ACADEMICPLANET.COM>>
> >>
> >> To: <gardenchat@HORT.NET>> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004
> >> 1:10 PM > Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] infor > > > > Not
> > feasible
> >> where darlin'?? I've been all organic since I started the > >
> >> bird/butterfly sanctuary 5-6 years ago and was 80% organic before. It
> >> >
> > >
> >> works here at least. Joanne across the street does the same. Is it
> >> >
> > >
> >> different there? > > > > > > Pam Evans > >
> >> Kemp,
> > TX >
> >> > zone 8A > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From:
> >> Kitty
> > >
> >> > Sent: 6/19/2004 9:19:43 AM > > To: gardenchat@hort.net >
> > >
> >> Subject: Re: [CHAT] infor > > > > > Ceres, > >
> >> >
> > >
> >> > I have used Merit a couple of times with good results to protect
> >> my
> > >
> >> birch > > > > > tree from Japanese Beetles. I don't
> >> know
> > how much
> >> bee activity there > would > > > > > be around birch
> > catkins.
> >> Merit had
> >>
> >> been suggested by our Hort Ed as
> >>
> >> a > safer > >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > > > product than those previously used, but no product of
> >>
> >> this sort is > > > > > completely safe. I
> >>
> >> was concerned about the affect to soil organisms in > my >
> >> >
> >>
> >> > >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > application.
> >>
> >> > >
> >>
> >> > >
> >>
> >> > > > >
> >>
> >> > >
> >>
> >> I've been on amessage
> >>
> >> board where,
> >>
> >> when the subject of
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Merit
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> was raised, > > > > > folks came out vehemently
> >> against
> > it for
> >>
> >> all
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> sorts of reasons. But the > > > > > objections came
> >>
> >> from
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> people that I would guess to be totally organic > types. >
> >> >
> > >
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > In a better world everything would be organic, but with what
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> we have > today, > > > > > it's not feasible.
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > > > > > > > > I no longer use Merit
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> but this is mainly because I am a lazy gardener > and I
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > > > > > don't resort to insecticides unless
> >> absolutely
> > necessary.
> >>
> >> Japanese
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Beetles > > > > > seem to have declined in
> >> number
> >>
> >> in
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> the past few
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> years, but that is > probably > > > > >
> >> cyclical. In
> > a couple
> >>
> >> more years
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I may have to resort to such measures
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > > > > again. > > > > > > > >
> >> >
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Kitty > > > > > > > > > > -----
> >> Original
> > Message
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----
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> >>
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> >>
> >> From: <CERSGARDEN@AOL.COM>> > > > >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> To: <gardenchat@HORT.NET>> > > > > Sent:
> >> Saturday, June 19, 2004 8:38 AM > > > > > Subject:
> >> [CHAT]
> > infor
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> >
> > >
> >> I am a lurker on an iris list. I am sending a message copied from it.
> >> >
> > >
> >> > > > What > > > > > > are your thoughts? I
> > have
> >> never used this product nor have I > researched > > > >
> > > the
> >> > > > > > > use of. The writer seems to be a very
> >> knowledgeable member of this > list. > > > > > >
> > Ceres >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > Generally
> >> systemic
> >> insecticides are considered to be reasonably safe > to > >
> >> >
> > >
> >> > > pollinators since they don't get excessive exposure via the
> > pollen or
> >> > > > > > > nectar, but Merit may be a bit
> >> different.
> > The
> >> active ingredient > > > > > > (imidacloprid) has two
> > actions.
> >> One, at higher doses, is lethal to > > > > > insects.
> >> >
> > >
> >> > > > > At lower doses it can affect behavior without
> >> directly
> >> killing the > insect, > > > > > > such as
> >> stopping
> > aphids
> >> from feeding. It is the behavioral effects > that > > >
> >> >
> > >
> >> are > > > > > > of concern regarding bees since it
> >> is
> > claimed
> >> that imidacloprid can > > > > > disrupt > > >
> >> >
> > >
> >> > foraging activities.-- in fact some of it's uses were banned in
> > France >
> >> > > > > > because of complaints from beekeepers. Bayer
> >> (who
> > make
> >> it) deny these > > > > > > claims based on what
> >> seems
> > like
> >> good research, and there haven't been > many > > > >
> >> >
> > >
> >> complaints about its impact on bees in the US as far as I know. This
> >> >
> > is
> >> > > > > > all > > > > > >
> >> complicated by
> > the
> >> fact that bee populations in the US have been > decimated > >
> > > >
> >> > > by Varroa mites, and if colonies do decline, it could well
> >> be
> > mites
> >> > that > > > > > > are causing it. So, as usual,
> >> the
> >> situation is murky, and it depends > who > > > > >
> >> >
> > you
> >> believe. There are some interesting websites on this if anyone is >
> > > >
> >> > > > interested in digging deeper. I have a couple of
> >> research
> >> projects at > the > > > > > > moment on this
> >> compound
> > and
> >> its effects on insects, so the area is of > some > > >
> >> >
> > >
> >> > interest to me and all of this may be more than you wanted to
> >> know!.
> > >
> >> Bob > > > > > > Hollingworth. > > > >
> >> >
> > >
> >> > > > > > >
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