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Re: infor


I have a fig tree that is getting quite large...what is the standard way
and time for pruning?  I don't know the species...took a sapling from my
sister's garden in SC.

Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN




> [Original Message]
> From: james singer <jsinger@igc.org>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Date: 06/20/2004 1:12:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] infor
>
> Lots of folks here use beneficial nematodes--parts of Florida have 
> serious unbeneficial nematode infestations or problems. I believe 
> Peaceful Valley Farm Supply sells them.
>
> Figs--one of Ms. Fatma's favorite fruits--are especially susceptible. 
> We finally found a Mission fig, genetically engineered by Louisiana 
> State University to be nematode resistant, that has begun to produce 
> large crops of rather smallish figs. Good flavor, but half the size of 
> a regular Mission.
>
> But, this is only its third year of production. And it's not been 
> pruned yet--a task for the next cold season. I plan to severely whack 
> it back this winter and mulch it heavily with rotted cow manure for the 
> dormant season.
>
>
> On Saturday, June 19, 2004, at 07:29 PM, Kitty wrote:
>
> > Pam,
> > Yes I tried beneficial nemetodes many years ago.  I think it helped,
> > couldn't say for sure.  But my lot is 60 ft wide, bounded by 4 
> > neighbors.
> > They won't treat heirs and the beetles would just fly on over here.
> >
> > In my early years of gardening, early-mid 90s, I tried all sorts of 
> > stuff,
> > much of it organic from Gardens Alive!, but also some chemicals and
> > fungicides suggested by Pirone when I took my courses on pest control. 
> >  In
> > the long run, I tried all sorts of stuff, but it gets expensive and not
> > altogether necessary.  Heck, I can live with a little powdery mildew.
> >
> > Kitty
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com>
> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 4:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: Re: Re: [CHAT] infor
> >
> >
> >> &#65279;<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> >> <HTML><HEAD>
> >> <META content="text/html; charset=windows-1252" 
> >> http-equiv=Content-Type>
> >> <META content="MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=GENERATOR></HEAD>
> >> <BODY>I see. Just curious. Actually have you ever tried the beneficial
> >> nematodes? They take care of all lawn grubs, including Jap beetles 
> >> which
> > had not
> >> made it here. We have other kinds though and it gets those too. It 
> >> also
> > controls
> >> fire ants, iris borers and flea larvae. Good stuff. Pam Evans Kemp, TX
> > zone 8A
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: Kitty Sent: 6/19/2004 3:13:00 PM 
> >> To:
> >> gardenchat@hort.net Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] infor &gt; Pam, &gt; You 
> >> must
> >> realize you are an exception. Most people will not spend 16 hours 
> >> &gt; a
> > day
> >> watering their plants. Many people will not live with plants with &gt;
> > holes in
> >> the leaves if there is a way to prevent it, organic or not. When I 
> >> &gt;
> > said not
> >> feasible, I meant not feasible for the general population; I wasn't 
> >> &gt;
> >> referring to myself. I'm content to live with some destruction, others
> > &gt;
> >> won't or can't. Right now I've got a bug here I found on one of my 
> >> lilies
> > &gt;
> >> last year. There was just one last year. I posted pictures, also 
> >> showed to
> > &gt;
> >> our Hort Ed. While trying to get an ID, it destroyed the plant. This 
> >> year
> > &gt; I
> >> found 4 of them on a Deutzia. Snipped the whole stem, bagged it and 
> >> took
> > &gt; it
> >> in to CES. He said possibly lacebug, but I'm not so sure. Just found 2
> > &gt; more
> >> on another lily. This bug will not go away with a shot of water, he 
> >> &gt;
> > needs
> >> stronger measures and I'm not about to let him go crazy on my lilies. 
> >> &gt;
> >> Without an ID, though, it's hard to know what to use. &gt; &gt; 
> >> Anyway,
> > back to
> >> straight organic. I don't know if you have Japanese Beetles &gt; 
> >> there,
> > but
> >> nothing organic is going to stop them. You can try Milky Spore, &gt; 
> >> but
> > once
> >> the grubs die off there's nothing for MS to feed on and it goes &gt; 
> >> away.
> > Even
> >> if it did persist, they'll just wing it over to your nice plants &gt; 
> >> from
> > your
> >> neighbor's untreated yard. &gt; &gt; I firmly believe in IPM and use 
> >> even
> > less
> >> than that warrants. I'm fairly &gt; close to organic, including my
> > fertilizers.
> >> But most people won't spend $30 &gt; / bag to cover 2000 sq ft of 
> >> lawn.
> > Shoot,
> >> my neighbor won't spend $5. &gt; &gt; For the activist, all organic is
> > possible.
> >> For the perectionist it is not &gt; feasible. For the the general
> > population of
> >> gardeners out there who have a &gt; garden as one of their many 
> >> pastimes,
> > who
> >> enjoy puttering in their garden &gt; occasionally, who maybe just are
> > determined
> >> that their landscape be &gt; presentable, but have no intention of 
> >> reading
> > up on
> >> organic methods, it &gt; isn't going to happen. &gt; &gt; Ortho does 
> >> too
> > good a
> >> job marketing their chemicals. People who just want &gt; the problem 
> >> to go
> > away
> >> are quick to grab "Bug-B-Gone" I've not read the &gt; label, but just 
> >> the
> >> thought that they want every bug to be gone scares me &gt; because I 
> >> know
> > it
> >> must detrimentally affect the good bug population as well. &gt; But 
> >> not
> > everyone
> >> has the level of interest that many of us share on this &gt; list. So 
> >> many
> >> people have no more than an hour or 2 a week to deal with &gt; their
> > landscape
> >> and it is not realistic to expect that they will strive for &gt; the
> > organic
> >> solution. &gt; &gt; Kitty &gt; &gt; ----- Original Message ----- &gt;
> > From:
> >>  <gardenqueen@ACADEMICPLANET.COM>&gt;
> >>
> >>  To: <gardenchat@HORT.NET>&gt; Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004
> >> 1:10 PM &gt; Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] infor &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Not
> > feasible
> >> where darlin'?? I've been all organic since I started the &gt; &gt;
> >> bird/butterfly sanctuary 5-6 years ago and was 80% organic before. It 
> >> &gt;
> > &gt;
> >> works here at least. Joanne across the street does the same. Is it 
> >> &gt;
> > &gt;
> >> different there? &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Pam Evans &gt; &gt; 
> >> Kemp,
> > TX &gt;
> >> &gt; zone 8A &gt; &gt; ----- Original Message ----- &gt; &gt; From: 
> >> Kitty
> > &gt;
> >> &gt; Sent: 6/19/2004 9:19:43 AM &gt; &gt; To: gardenchat@hort.net &gt;
> > &gt;
> >> Subject: Re: [CHAT] infor &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Ceres, &gt; &gt; 
> >> &gt;
> > &gt;
> >> &gt; I have used Merit a couple of times with good results to protect 
> >> my
> > &gt;
> >> birch &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; tree from Japanese Beetles. I don't 
> >> know
> > how much
> >> bee activity there &gt; would &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; be around birch
> > catkins.
> >> Merit had
> >>
> >>  been suggested by our Hort Ed as
> >>
> >>  a &gt; safer &gt; &gt;
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   &gt; &gt; &gt; product than those previously used, but no product of
> >>
> >>   this sort is &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; completely safe. I
> >>
> >>   was concerned about the affect to soil organisms in &gt; my &gt; 
> >> &gt;
> >>
> >>   &gt; &gt;
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   &gt; application.
> >>
> >>   &gt; &gt;
> >>
> >>   &gt; &gt;
> >>
> >>   &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> >>
> >>   &gt; &gt;
> >>
> >>   I've been on amessage
> >>
> >>   board where,
> >>
> >>   when the subject of
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    Merit
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    was raised, &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; folks came out vehemently 
> >> against
> > it for
> >>
> >>  all
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    sorts of reasons. But  the &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; objections came
> >>
> >>  from
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    people that I would guess to be totally organic &gt; types. &gt; 
> >> &gt;
> > &gt;
> >>
> >>  &gt;
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    &gt; In a better world everything would be organic, but with what
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    we have  &gt; today, &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; it's not feasible.
> >>
> >>  &gt;
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    &gt;
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I no longer use Merit
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    but this is mainly because I am a lazy gardener &gt;  and I
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; don't resort to insecticides unless 
> >> absolutely
> > necessary.
> >>
> >>  Japanese
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    &gt; Beetles &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; seem to have declined in 
> >> number
> >>
> >>  in
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    the past few
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    years, but that is &gt; probably &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
> >> cyclical. In
> > a couple
> >>
> >>  more years
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    I may have to resort to such  measures
> >>
> >>  &gt;
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; again. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
> >> &gt;
> >>
> >>  &gt;
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    Kitty  &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; ----- 
> >> Original
> > Message
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    -----
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    &gt;
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    From: <CERSGARDEN@AOL.COM>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    To: <gardenchat@HORT.NET>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Sent:
> >> Saturday, June 19, 2004 8:38 AM &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: 
> >> [CHAT]
> > infor
> >> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
> >> &gt;
> > &gt;
> >> I am a lurker on an iris list. I am sending a message copied from it. 
> >> &gt;
> > &gt;
> >> &gt; &gt; &gt; What &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; are your thoughts? I
> > have
> >> never used this product nor have I &gt; researched &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; the
> >> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; use of. The writer seems to be a very
> >> knowledgeable member of this &gt; list. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
> > Ceres &gt;
> >> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Generally 
> >> systemic
> >> insecticides are considered to be reasonably safe &gt; to &gt; &gt; 
> >> &gt;
> > &gt;
> >> &gt; &gt; pollinators since they don't get excessive exposure via the
> > pollen or
> >> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; nectar, but Merit may be a bit 
> >> different.
> > The
> >> active ingredient &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; (imidacloprid) has two
> > actions.
> >> One, at higher doses, is lethal to &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; insects. 
> >> &gt;
> > &gt;
> >> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; At lower doses it can affect behavior without 
> >> directly
> >> killing the &gt; insect, &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; such as 
> >> stopping
> > aphids
> >> from feeding. It is the behavioral effects &gt; that &gt; &gt; &gt; 
> >> &gt;
> > &gt;
> >> are &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; of concern regarding bees since it 
> >> is
> > claimed
> >> that imidacloprid can &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; disrupt &gt; &gt; &gt; 
> >> &gt;
> > &gt;
> >> &gt; foraging activities.-- in fact some of it's uses were banned in
> > France &gt;
> >> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; because of complaints from beekeepers. Bayer 
> >> (who
> > make
> >> it) deny these &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; claims based on what 
> >> seems
> > like
> >> good research, and there haven't been &gt; many &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
> >> &gt;
> > &gt;
> >> complaints about its impact on bees in the US as far as I know. This 
> >> &gt;
> > is
> >> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; all &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
> >> complicated by
> > the
> >> fact that bee populations in the US have been &gt; decimated &gt; &gt;
> > &gt; &gt;
> >> &gt; &gt; by Varroa mites, and if colonies do decline, it could well 
> >> be
> > mites
> >> &gt; that &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; are causing it. So, as usual, 
> >> the
> >> situation is murky, and it depends &gt; who &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
> >> &gt;
> > you
> >> believe. There are some interesting websites on this if anyone is &gt;
> > &gt; &gt;
> >> &gt; &gt; &gt; interested in digging deeper. I have a couple of 
> >> research
> >> projects at &gt; the &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; moment on this 
> >> compound
> > and
> >> its effects on insects, so the area is of &gt; some &gt; &gt; &gt; 
> >> &gt;
> > &gt;
> >> &gt; interest to me and all of this may be more than you wanted to 
> >> know!.
> > &gt;
> >> Bob &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Hollingworth. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
> >> &gt;
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