Re: infor
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- Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:44:24 -0400
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Hi, Bonnie.
Is it a fig fig tree [edible type] or ornamental ficus?
On Monday, June 21, 2004, at 07:59 PM, Bonnie Holmes wrote:
I have a fig tree that is getting quite large...what is the standard way
and time for pruning? I don't know the species...took a sapling from my
sister's garden in SC.
Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
[Original Message] From: james singer <jsinger@igc.org> To: <gardenchat@hort.net> Date: 06/20/2004 1:12:09 PM Subject: Re: [CHAT] infor
Lots of folks here use beneficial nematodes--parts of Florida have serious unbeneficial nematode infestations or problems. I believe Peaceful Valley Farm Supply sells them.
Figs--one of Ms. Fatma's favorite fruits--are especially susceptible. We finally found a Mission fig, genetically engineered by Louisiana State University to be nematode resistant, that has begun to produce large crops of rather smallish figs. Good flavor, but half the size of a regular Mission.
But, this is only its third year of production. And it's not been
pruned yet--a task for the next cold season. I plan to severely whack
it back this winter and mulch it heavily with rotted cow manure for the
dormant season.
On Saturday, June 19, 2004, at 07:29 PM, Kitty wrote:
Pam, Yes I tried beneficial nemetodes many years ago. I think it helped, couldn't say for sure. But my lot is 60 ft wide, bounded by 4 neighbors. They won't treat heirs and the beetles would just fly on over here.
In my early years of gardening, early-mid 90s, I tried all sorts of
stuff,
much of it organic from Gardens Alive!, but also some chemicals and
fungicides suggested by Pirone when I took my courses on pest control.
In
the long run, I tried all sorts of stuff, but it gets expensive and not
altogether necessary. Heck, I can live with a little powdery mildew.
Kitty
----- Original Message ----- From: <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com> To: <gardenchat@hort.net> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 4:42 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: [CHAT] infor
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whichcontrolsmade it here. We have other kinds though and it gets those too. It alsofire ants, iris borers and flea larvae. Good stuff. Pam Evans Kemp, TXzone 8Aday----- Original Message ----- From: Kitty Sent: 6/19/2004 3:13:00 PM To: gardenchat@hort.net Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] infor > Pam, > You must realize you are an exception. Most people will not spend 16 hours > awatering their plants. Many people will not live with plants with >holes insaid notthe leaves if there is a way to prevent it, organic or not. When I >feasible, I meant not feasible for the general population; I wasn't>
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referring to myself. I'm content to live with some destruction, others>won't or can't. Right now I've got a bug here I found on one of my lilies>last year. There was just one last year. I posted pictures, also showed to> Iour Hort Ed. While trying to get an ID, it destroyed the plant. This year> itfound 4 of them on a Deutzia. Snipped the whole stem, bagged it and tookin to CES. He said possibly lacebug, but I'm not so sure. Just found 2> moreneedson another lily. This bug will not go away with a shot of water, he >stronger measures and I'm not about to let him go crazy on my lilies.back to
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Without an ID, though, it's hard to know what to use. > >
Anyway,butstraight organic. I don't know if you have Japanese Beetles > there,oncenothing organic is going to stop them. You can try Milky Spore, > butEventhe grubs die off there's nothing for MS to feed on and it goes > away.if it did persist, they'll just wing it over to your nice plants >your
fromlessneighbor's untreated yard. > > I firmly believe in IPM and use eventhan that warrants. I'm fairly > close to organic, including myfertilizers.Shoot,But most people won't spend $30 > / bag to cover 2000 sq ft of lawn.my neighbor won't spend $5. > > For the activist, all organic ispossible.For the perectionist it is not > feasible. For the the generalpopulation ofwhogardeners out there who have a > garden as one of their many pastimes,enjoy puttering in their garden > occasionally, who maybe just aredeterminedup onthat their landscape be > presentable, but have no intention of readinggood aorganic methods, it > isn't going to happen. > > Ortho does tooawayjob marketing their chemicals. People who just want > the problem to goare quick to grab "Bug-B-Gone" I've not read the > label, but justit
the
thought that they want every bug to be gone scares me > because I
knoweveryonemust detrimentally affect the good bug population as well. > But nothas the level of interest that many of us share on this > list. Solandscape
many
people have no more than an hour or 2 a week to deal with > theirand it is not realistic to expect that they will strive for > theorganicsolution. > > Kitty > > ----- Original Message ----- >From:<gardenqueen@ACADEMICPLANET.COM>>feasible
To: <gardenchat@HORT.NET>> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 1:10 PM > Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] infor > > > > Notwhere darlin'?? I've been all organic since I started the > >>
bird/butterfly sanctuary 5-6 years ago and was 80% organic before. It
>>works here at least. Joanne across the street does the same. Is it >TX >different there? > > > > > > Pam Evans > > Kemp,>> zone 8A > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Kitty> Sent: 6/19/2004 9:19:43 AM > > To: gardenchat@hort.net >>>Subject: Re: [CHAT] infor > > > > > Ceres, > > >> I have used Merit a couple of times with good results to protect>
myhow muchbirch > > > > > tree from Japanese Beetles. I don't knowbee activity there > would > > > > > be around birchcatkins.Merit hadit for
been suggested by our Hort Ed as
a > safer > >
> > > product than those previously used, but no product of
this sort is > > > > > completely safe. I
was concerned about the affect to soil organisms in > my > >
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> application.
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I've been on amessage
board where,
when the subject of
Merit
was raised, > > > > > folks came out vehemently against>
all
sorts of reasons. But the > > > > > objections came
from
people that I would guess to be totally organic > types. > >necessary.
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> In a better world everything would be organic, but with what
we have > today, > > > > > it's not feasible.
>
>
> > > > > > > > I no longer use Merit
but this is mainly because I am a lazy gardener > and I
> > > > > don't resort to insecticides unless absolutelya couple
Japanese
> Beetles > > > > > seem to have declined in number
in
the past few
years, but that is > probably > > > > > cyclical. InMessage
more years
I may have to resort to such measures
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> > > > again. > > > > > > > >
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Kitty > > > > > > > > > > ----- Originalinfor
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From: <CERSGARDEN@AOL.COM>> > > > >
To: <gardenchat@HORT.NET>> > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 8:38 AM > > > > > Subject: [CHAT]> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
>I am a lurker on an iris list. I am sending a message copied from it.>
>> > > What > > > > > > are your thoughts? Ihavenever used this product nor have I > researched > > > >> the> > > > > > use of. The writer seems to be a veryCeres >
knowledgeable member of this > list. > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > Generally systemic insecticides are considered to be reasonably safe > to > > >> > pollinators since they don't get excessive exposure via thepollen orThe> > > > > > nectar, but Merit may be a bit different.active ingredient > > > > > > (imidacloprid) has twoactions.>One, at higher doses, is lethal to > > > > > insects. >aphids> > > > At lower doses it can affect behavior without directly killing the > insect, > > > > > > such as stopping>from feeding. It is the behavioral effects > that > > > >claimedare > > > > > > of concern regarding bees since it isthat imidacloprid can > > > > > disrupt > > >>
>> foraging activities.-- in fact some of it's uses were banned inFrance >> > > > > because of complaints from beekeepers. Bayermake
(wholikeit) deny these > > > > > > claims based on what seems>good research, and there haven't been > many > > > > >iscomplaints about its impact on bees in the US as far as I know. This >the> > > > > all > > > > > > complicated byfact that bee populations in the US have been > decimated > >> >mites> > by Varroa mites, and if colonies do decline, it could well be> that > > > > > > are causing it. So, as usual,you
the
situation is murky, and it depends > who > > > > >
>believe. There are some interesting websites on this if anyone is >> >and> > > interested in digging deeper. I have a couple of research projects at > the > > > > > > moment on this compound>its effects on insects, so the area is of > some > > > >>> interest to me and all of this may be more than you wanted to know!.>Bob > > > > > > Hollingworth. > > > > >> > > > > >>
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