Re: infor
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- Subject: Re: [CHAT] infor
- From: &* H* <h*@usit.net>
- Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:38:39 -0700
Edible...just had several delicious ones this afternoon...fruit looks
rather like a garlic bulb in shape...green getting more an more brown in
color as it ripens. Sound familiar?
Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
> [Original Message]
> From: james singer <jsinger@igc.org>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Date: 06/21/2004 2:44:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] infor
>
> Hi, Bonnie.
>
> Is it a fig fig tree [edible type] or ornamental ficus?
>
> On Monday, June 21, 2004, at 07:59 PM, Bonnie Holmes wrote:
>
> > I have a fig tree that is getting quite large...what is the standard
> > way
> > and time for pruning? I don't know the species...took a sapling from
> > my
> > sister's garden in SC.
> >
> > Bonnie Zone 6+ ETN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> [Original Message]
> >> From: james singer <jsinger@igc.org>
> >> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >> Date: 06/20/2004 1:12:09 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [CHAT] infor
> >>
> >> Lots of folks here use beneficial nematodes--parts of Florida have
> >> serious unbeneficial nematode infestations or problems. I believe
> >> Peaceful Valley Farm Supply sells them.
> >>
> >> Figs--one of Ms. Fatma's favorite fruits--are especially susceptible.
> >> We finally found a Mission fig, genetically engineered by Louisiana
> >> State University to be nematode resistant, that has begun to produce
> >> large crops of rather smallish figs. Good flavor, but half the size of
> >> a regular Mission.
> >>
> >> But, this is only its third year of production. And it's not been
> >> pruned yet--a task for the next cold season. I plan to severely whack
> >> it back this winter and mulch it heavily with rotted cow manure for
> >> the
> >> dormant season.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Saturday, June 19, 2004, at 07:29 PM, Kitty wrote:
> >>
> >>> Pam,
> >>> Yes I tried beneficial nemetodes many years ago. I think it helped,
> >>> couldn't say for sure. But my lot is 60 ft wide, bounded by 4
> >>> neighbors.
> >>> They won't treat heirs and the beetles would just fly on over here.
> >>>
> >>> In my early years of gardening, early-mid 90s, I tried all sorts of
> >>> stuff,
> >>> much of it organic from Gardens Alive!, but also some chemicals and
> >>> fungicides suggested by Pirone when I took my courses on pest
> >>> control.
> >>> In
> >>> the long run, I tried all sorts of stuff, but it gets expensive and
> >>> not
> >>> altogether necessary. Heck, I can live with a little powdery mildew.
> >>>
> >>> Kitty
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com>
> >>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 4:42 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: Re: Re: [CHAT] infor
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0
> >>>> Transitional//EN">
> >>>> <HTML><HEAD>
> >>>> <META content="text/html; charset=windows-1252"
> >>>> http-equiv=Content-Type>
> >>>> <META content="MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=GENERATOR></HEAD>
> >>>> <BODY>I see. Just curious. Actually have you ever tried the
> >>>> beneficial
> >>>> nematodes? They take care of all lawn grubs, including Jap beetles
> >>>> which
> >>> had not
> >>>> made it here. We have other kinds though and it gets those too. It
> >>>> also
> >>> controls
> >>>> fire ants, iris borers and flea larvae. Good stuff. Pam Evans Kemp,
> >>>> TX
> >>> zone 8A
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Kitty Sent: 6/19/2004 3:13:00 PM
> >>>> To:
> >>>> gardenchat@hort.net Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] infor > Pam, > You
> >>>> must
> >>>> realize you are an exception. Most people will not spend 16 hours
> >>>> > a
> >>> day
> >>>> watering their plants. Many people will not live with plants with
> >>>> >
> >>> holes in
> >>>> the leaves if there is a way to prevent it, organic or not. When I
> >>>> >
> >>> said not
> >>>> feasible, I meant not feasible for the general population; I wasn't
> >>>> >
> >>>> referring to myself. I'm content to live with some destruction,
> >>>> others
> >>> >
> >>>> won't or can't. Right now I've got a bug here I found on one of my
> >>>> lilies
> >>> >
> >>>> last year. There was just one last year. I posted pictures, also
> >>>> showed to
> >>> >
> >>>> our Hort Ed. While trying to get an ID, it destroyed the plant. This
> >>>> year
> >>> > I
> >>>> found 4 of them on a Deutzia. Snipped the whole stem, bagged it and
> >>>> took
> >>> > it
> >>>> in to CES. He said possibly lacebug, but I'm not so sure. Just
> >>>> found 2
> >>> > more
> >>>> on another lily. This bug will not go away with a shot of water, he
> >>>> >
> >>> needs
> >>>> stronger measures and I'm not about to let him go crazy on my
> >>>> lilies.
> >>>> >
> >>>> Without an ID, though, it's hard to know what to use. > >
> >>>> Anyway,
> >>> back to
> >>>> straight organic. I don't know if you have Japanese Beetles >
> >>>> there,
> >>> but
> >>>> nothing organic is going to stop them. You can try Milky Spore, >
> >>>> but
> >>> once
> >>>> the grubs die off there's nothing for MS to feed on and it goes >
> >>>> away.
> >>> Even
> >>>> if it did persist, they'll just wing it over to your nice plants
> >>>> >
> >>>> from
> >>> your
> >>>> neighbor's untreated yard. > > I firmly believe in IPM and use
> >>>> even
> >>> less
> >>>> than that warrants. I'm fairly > close to organic, including my
> >>> fertilizers.
> >>>> But most people won't spend $30 > / bag to cover 2000 sq ft of
> >>>> lawn.
> >>> Shoot,
> >>>> my neighbor won't spend $5. > > For the activist, all organic
> >>>> is
> >>> possible.
> >>>> For the perectionist it is not > feasible. For the the general
> >>> population of
> >>>> gardeners out there who have a > garden as one of their many
> >>>> pastimes,
> >>> who
> >>>> enjoy puttering in their garden > occasionally, who maybe just
> >>>> are
> >>> determined
> >>>> that their landscape be > presentable, but have no intention of
> >>>> reading
> >>> up on
> >>>> organic methods, it > isn't going to happen. > > Ortho does
> >>>> too
> >>> good a
> >>>> job marketing their chemicals. People who just want > the problem
> >>>> to go
> >>> away
> >>>> are quick to grab "Bug-B-Gone" I've not read the > label, but
> >>>> just
> >>>> the
> >>>> thought that they want every bug to be gone scares me > because I
> >>>> know
> >>> it
> >>>> must detrimentally affect the good bug population as well. > But
> >>>> not
> >>> everyone
> >>>> has the level of interest that many of us share on this > list.
> >>>> So
> >>>> many
> >>>> people have no more than an hour or 2 a week to deal with > their
> >>> landscape
> >>>> and it is not realistic to expect that they will strive for > the
> >>> organic
> >>>> solution. > > Kitty > > ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> >
> >>> From:
> >>>> <gardenqueen@ACADEMICPLANET.COM>>
> >>>>
> >>>> To: <gardenchat@HORT.NET>> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004
> >>>> 1:10 PM > Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] infor > > > > Not
> >>> feasible
> >>>> where darlin'?? I've been all organic since I started the > >
> >>>> bird/butterfly sanctuary 5-6 years ago and was 80% organic before.
> >>>> It
> >>>> >
> >>> >
> >>>> works here at least. Joanne across the street does the same. Is it
> >>>> >
> >>> >
> >>>> different there? > > > > > > Pam Evans > >
> >>>> Kemp,
> >>> TX >
> >>>> > zone 8A > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From:
> >>>> Kitty
> >>> >
> >>>> > Sent: 6/19/2004 9:19:43 AM > > To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >>>> >
> >>> >
> >>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] infor > > > > > Ceres, > >
> >>>> >
> >>> >
> >>>> > I have used Merit a couple of times with good results to
> >>>> protect
> >>>> my
> >>> >
> >>>> birch > > > > > tree from Japanese Beetles. I don't
> >>>> know
> >>> how much
> >>>> bee activity there > would > > > > > be around
> >>>> birch
> >>> catkins.
> >>>> Merit had
> >>>>
> >>>> been suggested by our Hort Ed as
> >>>>
> >>>> a > safer > >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> > > > product than those previously used, but no product
> >>>> of
> >>>>
> >>>> this sort is > > > > > completely safe. I
> >>>>
> >>>> was concerned about the affect to soil organisms in > my >
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>> > >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> > application.
> >>>>
> >>>> > >
> >>>>
> >>>> > >
> >>>>
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>>
> >>>> > >
> >>>>
> >>>> I've been on amessage
> >>>>
> >>>> board where,
> >>>>
> >>>> when the subject of
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Merit
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> was raised, > > > > > folks came out vehemently
> >>>> against
> >>> it for
> >>>>
> >>>> all
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> sorts of reasons. But the > > > > > objections
> >>>> came
> >>>>
> >>>> from
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> people that I would guess to be totally organic > types. >
> >>>> >
> >>> >
> >>>>
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> > In a better world everything would be organic, but with what
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> we have > today, > > > > > it's not feasible.
> >>>>
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> > > > > > > > > I no longer use Merit
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> but this is mainly because I am a lazy gardener > and I
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> > > > > > don't resort to insecticides unless
> >>>> absolutely
> >>> necessary.
> >>>>
> >>>> Japanese
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> > Beetles > > > > > seem to have declined in
> >>>> number
> >>>>
> >>>> in
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> the past few
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> years, but that is > probably > > > > >
> >>>> cyclical. In
> >>> a couple
> >>>>
> >>>> more years
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I may have to resort to such measures
> >>>>
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> > > > > again. > > > > > > >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Kitty > > > > > > > > > > -----
> >>>> Original
> >>> Message
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> From: <CERSGARDEN@AOL.COM>> > > > >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> To: <gardenchat@HORT.NET>> > > > > Sent:
> >>>> Saturday, June 19, 2004 8:38 AM > > > > > Subject:
> >>>> [CHAT]
> >>> infor
> >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>> >
> >>>> I am a lurker on an iris list. I am sending a message copied from
> >>>> it.
> >>>> >
> >>> >
> >>>> > > > What > > > > > > are your
> >>>> thoughts? I
> >>> have
> >>>> never used this product nor have I > researched > > >
> >>>> >
> >>> > the
> >>>> > > > > > > use of. The writer seems to be a very
> >>>> knowledgeable member of this > list. > > > > >
> >>>> >
> >>> Ceres >
> >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > Generally
> >>>> systemic
> >>>> insecticides are considered to be reasonably safe > to > >
> >>>> >
> >>> >
> >>>> > > pollinators since they don't get excessive exposure via
> >>>> the
> >>> pollen or
> >>>> > > > > > > nectar, but Merit may be a bit
> >>>> different.
> >>> The
> >>>> active ingredient > > > > > > (imidacloprid) has
> >>>> two
> >>> actions.
> >>>> One, at higher doses, is lethal to > > > > > insects.
> >>>> >
> >>> >
> >>>> > > > > At lower doses it can affect behavior without
> >>>> directly
> >>>> killing the > insect, > > > > > > such as
> >>>> stopping
> >>> aphids
> >>>> from feeding. It is the behavioral effects > that > > >
> >>>> >
> >>> >
> >>>> are > > > > > > of concern regarding bees since it
> >>>> is
> >>> claimed
> >>>> that imidacloprid can > > > > > disrupt > >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>> >
> >>>> > foraging activities.-- in fact some of it's uses were banned in
> >>> France >
> >>>> > > > > > because of complaints from beekeepers.
> >>>> Bayer
> >>>> (who
> >>> make
> >>>> it) deny these > > > > > > claims based on what
> >>>> seems
> >>> like
> >>>> good research, and there haven't been > many > > > >
> >>>> >
> >>> >
> >>>> complaints about its impact on bees in the US as far as I know. This
> >>>> >
> >>> is
> >>>> > > > > > all > > > > > >
> >>>> complicated by
> >>> the
> >>>> fact that bee populations in the US have been > decimated >
> >>>> >
> >>> > >
> >>>> > > by Varroa mites, and if colonies do decline, it could well
> >>>> be
> >>> mites
> >>>> > that > > > > > > are causing it. So, as
> >>>> usual,
> >>>> the
> >>>> situation is murky, and it depends > who > > > > >
> >>>> >
> >>> you
> >>>> believe. There are some interesting websites on this if anyone is
> >>>> >
> >>> > >
> >>>> > > > interested in digging deeper. I have a couple of
> >>>> research
> >>>> projects at > the > > > > > > moment on this
> >>>> compound
> >>> and
> >>>> its effects on insects, so the area is of > some > > >
> >>>> >
> >>> >
> >>>> > interest to me and all of this may be more than you wanted to
> >>>> know!.
> >>> >
> >>>> Bob > > > > > > Hollingworth. > > > >
> >>>> >
> >>> >
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