Re:: Air Layering

Can't make it doll - will most likely have to work that Saturday.  Bad at work right now, they're flogging us to death...

Pam Evans
Kemp, TX
zone 8A
----- Original Message -----
From: Jesse Bell
Sent: 6/24/2004 6:22:01 AM
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [CHAT] Air Layering

> Pam, when you come up for the wedding...I will show you how my brother does it.
>  
> Jess
> 
> "Richard T. Apking" <richa@midlands.net> wrote:
> Regarding the air-layering, it's only necessary to have a vertical branch if
> you are using the device you all have been talking about. The old fashioned
> way, using wraps and tapes, can be done on a horizontal branch as well.
> However, in my somewhat limited experience, either way(horizontal or
> vertical) will work, and Pam, your viburnam's are among the easiest to air
> layer or start from cuttings. Rich in Z-5 where today's high will almost
> reach 70.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:01 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: Re: [CHAT] Air Layering
> 
> 
> > Hmm, my viburnums are more horizontal than vertical too. But do keep me
> posted please!
> >
> > Pam Evans
> > Kemp, TX
> > zone 8A
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Kitty
> > Sent: 6/23/2004 10:39:42 PM
> > To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] Air Layering
> >
> > > I've got one started now, we'll see. The tricky part was that the limb
> used
> >
> > > must be vertical and my Magnolia is virtually all horizontal. So I had
> to
> >
> > > tie the limb up to make this work. This doesn't seem to be necessary in
> >
> > > regular air layering.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Kitty
> >
> > >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >
> > > From: 
> >
> > > To: 
> >
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 9:33 PM
> >
> > > Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] Air Layering
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > Has anyone tried those rooter pots? Do they work?
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > Pam Evans
> >
> > > > Kemp, TX
> >
> > > > zone 8A
> >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > > > From: Kitty
> >
> > > > Sent: 6/22/2004 7:49:40 PM
> >
> > > > To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >
> > > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Air Layering
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > Libby,
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > I found this description w/ illustration:
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > http://www.texas-rose-rustlers.com/propagat.htm
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > In addition to the sphagnum-wrap air layering I was familiar with,
> they
> >
> > > show
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > another method called the Tape Method. I found it very interesting
> and
> >
> > > just
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > might try it.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > And here's another one that covers several types of layering.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/hil/hil-8701.html
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > Kitty
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > From: "Libby Valentine" 
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > To: 
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 4:35 PM
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Air Layering
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > Anybody care to do the 2 minute summary for those of us who are
> not
> >
> > > plant
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > propagators? (yet!)
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > Thanks!
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > Libby
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > MD zone 6
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > From: "Donna" 
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > To: 
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 10:13 PM
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [CHAT] Air Layering
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > Well Jim... now that is interesting!
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > You are saying that even after time in the ground, something
> that
> >
> > > was
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > 'air layered' will never get a tap root? How in the world can
> they
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > survive for any length of time without one?
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > I have to admit I know nothing about air layering other than a
> 1/2
> >
> > > hour
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > special that included some highlights among other things. Not
> enough
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > info to really understand the process or how it worked.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > I am majorly confused here. ... nothing new:)
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > Donna
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > Hum... must of us got here.... like some of us didn't? LOL!
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > I've done some air layering, Jesse, but not a lot. It is the
> way
> >
> > > most
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > litchis, macadamia nuts, and rubber plants [Ficus elastica],
> and,
> >
> > > I'm
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > sure, many other plants are usually propagated. The Royal
> >
> > > Horticulture
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > Society's propagation book [AHS published it as "Plant
> >
> > > Propagation"]
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > has very good instructions in how to air layer stuff.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > The one disadvantage to air layering [verses propagation by
> seed
> >
> > > or by
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > grafting scion wood onto a seedling] is that the air layered
> >
> > > clones
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > will not produce tap roots. Most of the commercial litchi
> orchards
> >
> > > in
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > south Florida were simply blown away by hurricane Andrew
> because
> >
> > > the
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > trees had no tap roots.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > I think the general rule is that any plant that can be
> propagated
> >
> > > by
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > cuttings, can also be air layered, but there are other
> plants--the
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > afore-mentioned macadamias and rubber plants--that do not [or
> only
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > rarely] respond as cuttings. Cuttings have the same
> no-tap-root
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > problem
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > that air layers have but generally they are easier to
> propagate
> >
> > > and
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > require a whole lot less time to do so. I usually try cuttings
> >
> > > first;
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > then air layering; then seedling and grafting [provided, of
> >
> > > course, I
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > have seedlings and access to scion wood].
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > Sometimes I do just seedlings. "Just seedlings" is always a
> crap
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > shoot,
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > but sometimes it's fun to see what sexual reproduction has
> cooked
> >
> > > up
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > > > for you. I mean, hey, that's how most of us got here!
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> >
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