Re: Re: time to vent!

Jim - I still have scars on my left hand from being smacked w/ a metal
edged ruler for that. I finally got tired of bleeding on the paper and
switched. I had the same first grade teacher that taught my father in
first grade. She must have been a hundred when I got her. Crazy damn
people.


Pam Evans
Kemp, TX
zone 8A
----- Original Message -----
From: james singer
Sent: 6/24/2004 4:25:02 PM
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: Re: [CHAT] time to vent!

> Interesting, Pam.
> 
> My mother and I went to the same high school--had a lot of the same  
> teachers and administrators. She was left handed and always told me  
> [I'm left handed, too] that the teachers smacked her left hand with a  
> ruler when she tried to write with it.
> 
> They didn't smack my left hand, but they did try to make me write  
> upside down and backward so it would look like a righty wrote it. Of  
> course I refused to do that and was often scolded for my poor  
> penmanship. [In 2004, the notion of "penmanship" is out of whack;  
> anything close to it is called calligraphy!]
> 
> I was also the only male in my typing class. Again, my mother told me  
> that if I was going to go to college, I needed to learn to type because  
> that was what would be expected. And at the tender age of 12, I knew I  
> wasn't going to be a community grunt if I could help it and would go to  
> college or else fake it and forge it. That may be the only advice she  
> ever gave me that I listened to, and I've always been glad I did. For  
> once she was right.
> 
> 
> On Thursday, June 24, 2004, at 12:44 PM, ""  
> <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com> wrote:
> 
> > They wouldn't let me take shop or typing either Kitty. Still can't type
> > well because of that. Of course these are the same schools that  
> > wouldn't
> > let me write left handed either. So they made me write right handed and
> > started giving me D's in penmenship. Get a clue people.
> >
> >
> > Pam Evans
> > Kemp, TX
> > zone 8A
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Kitty
> > Sent: 6/24/2004 10:19:51 AM
> > To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > Subject: Re: [CHAT] time to vent!
> >
> >> Thanks for the full view on this Melody.  You are right; this is a  
> >> win-win
> >
> >> situation (though some men do not see it that way)
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Back in the 60s at my school, girls couldn't take shop and boys  
> >> couldn't
> >
> >> take home-ec.  --which was just as stupid as telling us that those  
> >> with
> >
> >> higher GPAs could not take typing.   Now that students have choices  
> >> they may
> >
> >> actually have a chance early on to try something and find that they  
> >> have an
> >
> >> affinity for it.  In my niece and nephew's curriculum they had a  
> >> semester of
> >
> >> one course that consisted of several 3 week courses on various  
> >> subjects that
> >
> >> had once been gender based.  They had the opportunity to try them all.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Kitty
> >
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >
> >> From: "Melody" <mhobertm@excite.com>
> >
> >> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 3:31 AM
> >
> >> Subject: Re: [CHAT] time to vent!
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >>> Jim: Here's a little thing to think about...it's not only the women  
> >>> who
> >
> >>> have been liberated from such restrictive thinking...men have been as
> >
> >>> well. How many stay at home dads now find acceptance in this choice?
> >
> >>> Have you any idea how many young teenaged boys I know who have taken
> >
> >>> safe babysitter classes so they can babysit as well as their female
> >
> >>> peers? And the number of boys who choose to take home economic  
> >>> classes
> >
> >>> to learn cooking and sewing?? This is the real wisdom of women's
> >
> >>> lib...it allows every one, regardless of gender, equal freedom and
> >
> >>> access to choice.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Melody, IA (Z 5/4)
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious."
> >
> >>> --Albert Einstein
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>  --- On Tue 06/22, james singer < jsinger@igc.org > wrote:
> >
> >>> From: james singer [mailto: jsinger@igc.org]
> >
> >>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >
> >>> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:06:03 -0400
> >
> >>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] time to vent!
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> All this "men's work/women's work" stuff is gibberish to me. I was  
> >>> born
> >
> >>> <br>in the early 30s [very early, Hoover was president] when that  
> >>> sort
> >
> >>> of <br>nonsense was accepted by most people. But times change and
> >
> >>> continue to <br>change. Women have been more-or-less liberated from  
> >>> such
> >
> >>> stupid <br>stereotypes. Or so I thought. But maybe not in the bible
> >
> >>> belt. Hello?<br><br><br>On Monday, June 21, 2004, at 04:45 PM, Kitty
> >
> >>> wrote:<br><br>>> It amazing me that girls don't think they or women
> >
> >>> are<br>>> capable of using a pruning saw and almost insist that my
> >
> >>> husband <br>>> should be<br>><br>> Even with all the efforts of the
> >
> >>> women's movement, some people still <br>> have<br>> not moved  
> >>> forward.
> >
> >>> They still live and breathe stereotype. Coming of <br>> age<br>> in  
> >>> the
> >
> >>> 60s and 70s, the movement did influence me in what I view to be<br>>
> >
> >>> positive ways for the most part. But I think, even without the <br>>
> >
> >>> movement, I<br>> would not be a "men's work - women's work" type. For
> >
> >>> the most part, <br>> if I<br>> want something done, I can do it  
> >>> unless
> >
> >>> it requires special knowledge <br>> or<br>> strength I don't have. I
> >
> >>> also think if you can eat, you can cook and <br>> wash<br>> dishes.  
> >>> If
> >
> >>> you can use a bathroom, you can clean one. This is not the<br>>  
> >>> women's
> >
> >>> movement speaking, it is just pure common sense.<br>> Kitty<br>>  
> >>> -----
> >
> >>> Original Message -----<br>> From: "Tchessie"  
> >>> <tchessie@comcast.net><br>>
> >
> >>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net><br>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 11:57  
> >>> AM<br>>
> >
> >>> Subject: RE: [CHAT] time to vent!<br>><br>><br>>> It cracks me up  
> >>> when
> >
> >>> the kids in my neighborhood ask me why I'm <br>>> outside<br>>>  
> >>> working
> >
> >>> (this happened again last week as I was pruning a low branch <br>>>  
> >>> off
> >
> >>> a<br>>> bradford pear). It amazing me that girls don't think they or
> >
> >>> women <br>>> are<br>>> capable of using a pruning saw and almost  
> >>> insist
> >
> >>> that my husband <br>>> should be<br>>> doing it. My husband and I
> >
> >>> however have a very clear agreement- the<br>> outside<br>>> of the  
> >>> house
> >
> >>> is my territory. I only does something if I <br>>> sp
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> ecifically ask<br>>> for his help. Mind you, I wouldn't mind if he  
> >>> mowed
> >
> >>> the yard <br>>> occasionally<br>>> without my asking- but I can live
> >
> >>> with that too. I have never had him<br>> chop<br>>> down, pull up or
> >
> >>> otherwise destroy a plant. And he is a great sport-<br>> after<br>>>
> >
> >>> I've planted, moved or trimmed anything, he's always willing to be
> >
> >>> <br>>> drug<br>> out<br>>> and view the new look. He smiles and says  
> >>> it
> >
> >>> looks great, even <br>>> though I<br>>> know half the time he can't  
> >>> tell
> >
> >>> what is different.<br>>><br>>> Theresa<br>>><br>>> -----Original
> >
> >>> Message-----<br>>> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net
> >
> >>> [o*@hort.net]On<br>>> Behalf Of cathy
> >
> >>> carpenter<br>>> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 2:04 PM<br>>> To:
> >
> >>> gardenchat@hort.net<br>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] time to
> >
> >>> vent!<br>>><br>>><br>>> At least he didn't hit it with Round-Up! You
> >
> >>> won't have blooms this<br>>> year, but it should come back. Gary is
> >
> >>> dangerous with any cutting<br>>> instruments (mowers, weed wackers,  
> >>> etc)
> >
> >>> or chemicals. He mowed down 3<br>>> of my long established big  
> >>> bluestem
> >
> >>> this year, and he supposedly knows<br>>> the border of the bed they  
> >>> were
> >
> >>> planted in. Any shrub or tree newly<br>>> planted is marked with  
> >>> those
> >
> >>> little construction flags - makes for an<br>>> attractive  
> >>> yard!<br>>> My
> >
> >>> condolences,<br>>> Cathy<br>>> On Sunday, June 20, 2004, at 01:16 PM,
> >
> >>> james singer wrote:<br>>><br>>>> Donna, my sympathy. But this is one  
> >>> of
> >
> >>> the reasons Ms. Fatma and I<br>>>> continually remind one another  
> >>> about
> >
> >>> pet projects. We do much garden<br>>>> stuff together, but there are
> >
> >>> also lots of things we do individually<br>>>> [she has only a
> >
> >>> gastronomic interest in tropical fruit, for example].<br>>>> Talking  
> >>> and
> >
> >>> pointing help a lot.<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> On Sunday, June 20, 2004,  
> >>> at
> >
> >>> 02:04 PM, Donna wrote:<br>>>><br>>>>> I know many of you on this list
> >
> >>> are --um-- single, and I may be too <br>>>>> if<br>>>>> this trend
> >
> >>> continues.<br>>>>><br>>>>> Yesterday while I was on 'the girls' road
> >
> >>> trip, DH who should not <br>>>>> even<br>>>>> be outside, dec
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> id
> >
> >>> ed to help me in the garden....<br>>>>><br>>>>> He proceeded to cut  
> >>> down
> >
> >>> my entire patch of queen of the prairie, a <br>>>>> 5<br>>>>>  
> >>> X<br>>>>>
> >
> >>> 5 ft stand about to bloom this week.<br>>>>><br>>>>> I came home,  
> >>> looked
> >
> >>> out the patio door and had a fit!<br>>>>><br>>>>> He thought it was a
> >
> >>> weed with seed heads and didn't want it to<br>>>>> spread...<br>>>>>  
> >>> it
> >
> >>> only took me 5 years to get it to fill the area!...destroyed in  
> >>> <br>>>>>
> >
> >>> an<br>>>>> afternoon.<br>>>>><br>>>>> Grumble,
> >
> >>> grumble....<br>>>>><br>>>>> Donna<br>>>>> I figured this list would
> >
> >>> understand why I am upset, seems no one <br>>>>> here<br>>>>>
> >
> >>> does:(<br>>>>><br>>>>>
> >
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