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Re: Re: time to vent!

I sincerely hope that people who treat children that way will spend all
of eternity in hell, being flogged with metal tipped cat-o-nines tails
or something similarly vicious! I have two siblings who are both lefties
and by the time we were all school aged, in the 70's, this was pretty
much a non-issue.

Melody, IA (Z 5/4)

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious."    
--Albert Einstein

 --- On Thu 06/24,  < gardenqueen@academicplanet.com > wrote:
From:  [mailto: gardenqueen@academicplanet.com]
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:27:55 -0500
Subject: Re: Re: [CHAT] time to vent!

Jim - I still have scars on my left hand from being smacked w/ a
metal<br>edged ruler for that. I finally got tired of bleeding on the
paper and<br>switched. I had the same first grade teacher that taught my
father in<br>first grade. She must have been a hundred when I got her.
Crazy damn<br>people.<br><br><br>Pam Evans<br>Kemp, TX<br>zone
8A<br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: james singer<br>Sent:
6/24/2004 4:25:02 PM<br>To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>Subject: Re: [CHAT]
time to vent!<br><br>> Interesting, Pam.<br>> <br>> My mother and I went
to the same high school--had a lot of the same <br>> teachers and
administrators. She was left handed and always told me <br>> [I'm left
handed, too] that the teachers smacked her left hand with a <br>> ruler
when she tried to write with it.<br>> <br>> They didn't smack my left
hand, but they did try to make me write <br>> upside down and backward
so it would look like a righty wrote it. Of <br>> course I refused to do
that and was often scolded for my poor <br>> penmanship. [In 2004, the
notion of "penmanship" is out of whack; <br>> anything close to it is
called calligraphy!]<br>> <br>> I was also the only male in my typing
class. Again, my mother told me <br>> that if I was going to go to
college, I needed to learn to type because <br>> that was what would be
expected. And at the tender age of 12, I knew I <br>> wasn't going to be
a community grunt if I could help it and would go to <br>> college or
else fake it and forge it. That may be the only advice she <br>> ever
gave me that I listened to, and I've always been glad I did. For <br>>
once she was right.<br>> <br>> <br>> On Thursday, June 24, 2004, at
12:44 PM, "" <br>> <gardenqueen@academicplanet.com> wrote:<br>> <br>> >
They wouldn't let me take shop or typing either Kitty. Still can't
type<br>> > well because of that. Of course these are the same schools
that <br>> > wouldn't<br>> > let me write left handed either. So they
made me write right handed and<br>> > started giving me D's in

Get a clue people.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Pam Evans<br>> > Kemp, TX<br>> >
zone 8A<br>> > ----- Original Message -----<br>> > From: Kitty<br>> >
Sent: 6/24/2004 10:19:51 AM<br>> > To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>> >
Subject: Re: [CHAT] time to vent!<br>> ><br>> >> Thanks for the full
view on this Melody. You are right; this is a <br>> >> win-win<br>>
><br>> >> situation (though some men do not see it that way)<br>> ><br>>
>><br>> ><br>> >> Back in the 60s at my school, girls couldn't take shop
and boys <br>> >> couldn't<br>> ><br>> >> take home-ec. --which was just
as stupid as telling us that those <br>> >> with<br>> ><br>> >> higher
GPAs could not take typing. Now that students have choices <br>> >> they
may<br>> ><br>> >> actually have a chance early on to try something and
find that they <br>> >> have an<br>> ><br>> >> affinity for it. In my
niece and nephew's curriculum they had a <br>> >> semester of<br>>
><br>> >> one course that consisted of several 3 week courses on various
<br>> >> subjects that<br>> ><br>> >> had once been gender based. They
had the opportunity to try them all.<br>> ><br>> >><br>> ><br>> >>
Kitty<br>> ><br>> >> ----- Original Message -----<br>> ><br>> >> From:
"Melody" <mhobertm@excite.com><br>> ><br>> >> To:
<gardenchat@hort.net><br>> ><br>> >> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 3:31
AM<br>> ><br>> >> Subject: Re: [CHAT] time to vent!<br>> ><br>> >><br>>
><br>> >><br>> ><br>> >>> Jim: Here's a little thing to think
about...it's not only the women <br>> >>> who<br>> ><br>> >>> have been
liberated from such restrictive thinking...men have been as<br>> ><br>>
>>> well. How many stay at home dads now find acceptance in this
choice?<br>> ><br>> >>> Have you any idea how many young teenaged boys I
know who have taken<br>> ><br>> >>> safe babysitter classes so they can
babysit as well as their female<br>> ><br>> >>> peers? And the number of
boys who choose to take home economic <br>> >>> classes<br>> ><br>> >>>
to learn cooking and sewing?? This is the real wisdom of women's<br>>

> lib...it allows every one, regardless of gender, equal freedom
and<br>> ><br>> >>> access to choice.<br>> ><br>> >>><br>> ><br>>
>>><br>> ><br>> >>><br>> ><br>> >>> Melody, IA (Z 5/4)<br>> ><br>>
>>><br>> ><br>> >>> "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the
mysterious."<br>> ><br>> >>> --Albert Einstein<br>> ><br>> >>><br>>
><br>> >>> --- On Tue 06/22, james singer < jsinger@igc.org >
wrote:<br>> ><br>> >>> From: james singer [mailto: jsinger@igc.org]<br>>
><br>> >>> To: gardenchat@hort.net<br>> ><br>> >>> Date: Tue, 22 Jun
2004 19:06:03 -0400<br>> ><br>> >>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] time to
vent!<br>> ><br>> >>><br>> ><br>> >>> All this "men's work/women's work"
stuff is gibberish to me. I was <br>> >>> born<br>> ><br>> >>> <br>in
the early 30s [very early, Hoover was president] when that <br>> >>>
sort<br>> ><br>> >>> of <br>nonsense was accepted by most people. But
times change and<br>> ><br>> >>> continue to <br>change. Women have been
more-or-less liberated from <br>> >>> such<br>> ><br>> >>> stupid
<br>stereotypes. Or so I thought. But maybe not in the bible<br>> ><br>>
>>> belt. Hello?<br><br><br>On Monday, June 21, 2004, at 04:45 PM,
Kitty<br>> ><br>> >>> wrote:<br><br>>> It amazing me that girls don't
think they or women<br>> ><br>> >>> are<br>>> capable of using a pruning
saw and almost insist that my<br>> ><br>> >>> husband <br>>> should
be<br>><br>> Even with all the efforts of the<br>> ><br>> >>> women's
movement, some people still <br>> have<br>> not moved <br>> >>>
forward.<br>> ><br>> >>> They still live and breathe stereotype. Coming
of <br>> age<br>> in <br>> >>> the<br>> ><br>> >>> 60s and 70s, the
movement did influence me in what I view to be<br>><br>> ><br>> >>>
positive ways for the most part. But I think, even without the
<br>><br>> ><br>> >>> movement, I<br>> would not be a "men's work -
women's work" type. For<br>> ><br>> >>> the most part, <br>> if I<br>>
want something done, I can do it <br>> >>> unless<br>> ><br>> >>> it
requires special knowledge <br>> or<br>> strength

I don't have. I<br>> ><br>> >>> also think if you can eat, you can cook
and <br>> wash<br>> dishes. <br>> >>> If<br>> ><br>> >>> you can use a
bathroom, you can clean one. This is not the<br>> <br>> >>> women's<br>>
><br>> >>> movement speaking, it is just pure common sense.<br>>
Kitty<br>> <br>> >>> -----<br>> ><br>> >>> Original Message -----<br>>
From: "Tchessie" <br>> >>> <tchessie@comcast.net><br>><br>> ><br>> >>>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net><br>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 11:57 <br>>
>>> AM<br>><br>> ><br>> >>> Subject: RE: [CHAT] time to
vent!<br>><br>><br>>> It cracks me up <br>> >>> when<br>> ><br>> >>> the
kids in my neighborhood ask me why I'm <br>>> outside<br>>> <br>> >>>
working<br>> ><br>> >>> (this happened again last week as I was pruning
a low branch <br>>> <br>> >>> off<br>> ><br>> >>> a<br>>> bradford
pear). It amazing me that girls don't think they or<br>> ><br>> >>>
women <br>>> are<br>>> capable of using a pruning saw and almost <br>>
>>> insist<br>> ><br>> >>> that my husband <br>>> should be<br>>> doing
it. My husband and I<br>> ><br>> >>> however have a very clear
agreement- the<br>> outside<br>>> of the <br>> >>> house<br>> ><br>> >>>
is my territory. I only does something if I <br>>> sp<br>> ><br>>
>>><br>> ><br>> >>> ecifically ask<br>>> for his help. Mind you, I
wouldn't mind if he <br>> >>> mowed<br>> ><br>> >>> the yard <br>>>
occasionally<br>>> without my asking- but I can live<br>> ><br>> >>>
with that too. I have never had him<br>> chop<br>>> down, pull up
or<br>> ><br>> >>> otherwise destroy a plant. And he is a great
sport-<br>> after<br>>><br>> ><br>> >>> I've planted, moved or trimmed
anything, he's always willing to be<br>> ><br>> >>> <br>>> drug<br>>
out<br>>> and view the new look. He smiles and says <br>> >>> it<br>>
><br>> >>> looks great, even <br>>> though I<br>>> know half the time he
can't <br>> >>> tell<br>> ><br>> >>> what is different.<br>>><br>>>
Theresa<br>>><br>>> -----Original<br>> ><br>> >>> Message-----<br>>>
From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net<br

><br>> >>> [mailto:owner-gardenchat@hort.net]On<br>>> Behalf Of
cathy<br>> ><br>> >>> carpenter<br>>> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 2:04
PM<br>>> To:<br>> ><br>> >>> gardenchat@hort.net<br>>> Subject: Re:
[CHAT] time to<br>> ><br>> >>> vent!<br>>><br>>><br>>> At least he
didn't hit it with Round-Up! You<br>> ><br>> >>> won't have blooms
this<br>>> year, but it should come back. Gary is<br>> ><br>> >>>
dangerous with any cutting<br>>> instruments (mowers, weed wackers,
<br>> >>> etc)<br>> ><br>> >>> or chemicals. He mowed down 3<br>>> of my
long established big <br>> >>> bluestem<br>> ><br>> >>> this year, and
he supposedly knows<br>>> the border of the bed they <br>> >>> were<br>>
><br>> >>> planted in. Any shrub or tree newly<br>>> planted is marked
with <br>> >>> those<br>> ><br>> >>> little construction flags - makes
for an<br>>> attractive <br>> >>> yard!<br>>> My<br>> ><br>> >>>
condolences,<br>>> Cathy<br>>> On Sunday, June 20, 2004, at 01:16
PM,<br>> ><br>> >>> james singer wrote:<br>>><br>>>> Donna, my sympathy.
But this is one <br>> >>> of<br>> ><br>> >>> the reasons Ms. Fatma and
I<br>>>> continually remind one another <br>> >>> about<br>> ><br>> >>>
pet projects. We do much garden<br>>>> stuff together, but there
are<br>> ><br>> >>> also lots of things we do individually<br>>>> [she
has only a<br>> ><br>> >>> gastronomic interest in tropical fruit, for
example].<br>>>> Talking <br>> >>> and<br>> ><br>> >>> pointing help a
lot.<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> On Sunday, June 20, 2004, <br>> >>> at<br>>
><br>> >>> 02:04 PM, Donna wrote:<br>>>><br>>>>> I know many of you on
this list<br>> ><br>> >>> are --um-- single, and I may be too <br>>>>>
if<br>>>>> this trend<br>> ><br>> >>> continues.<br>>>>><br>>>>>
Yesterday while I was on 'the girls' road<br>> ><br>> >>> trip, DH who
should not <br>>>>> even<br>>>>> be outside, dec<br>> ><br>> >>><br>>
><br>> >>> id<br>> ><br>> >>> ed to help me in the
garden....<br>>>>><br>>>>> He proceeded to cut <br>> >>> down<br>>
><br>> >>> my entire patch of queen of the p

rairie, a <br>>>>> 5<br>>>>> <br>> >>> X<br>>>>><br>> ><br>> >>> 5 ft
stand about to bloom this week.<br>>>>><br>>>>> I came home, <br>> >>>
looked<br>> ><br>> >>> out the patio door and had a fit!<br>>>>><br>>>>>
He thought it was a<br>> ><br>> >>> weed with seed heads and didn't want
it to<br>>>>> spread...<br>>>>> <br>> >>> it<br>> ><br>> >>> only took
me 5 years to get it to fill the area!...destroyed in <br>> >>>
<br>>>>><br>> ><br>> >>> an<br>>>>> afternoon.<br>>>>><br>>>>>
Grumble,<br>> ><br>> >>> grumble....<br>>>>><br>>>>> Donna<br>>>>> I
figured this list would<br>> ><br>> >>> understand why I am upset, seems
no one <br>>>>> here<br>>>>><br>> ><br>> >>> does:(<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>
><br>> >>>
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